Nude bra fight in TiA (and not the good kind) (reddit.com)
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169 comments submitted at 21:59:35 on Sep 28, 2014 by larrylemur
Nude bra fight in TiA (and not the good kind) (reddit.com)
SubredditDrama
42 ups - 0 downs = 42 votes
169 comments submitted at 21:59:35 on Sep 28, 2014 by larrylemur
I never get the TiA demographic. It's like people who want to be racist or sexist but can only express it by being anti-SJW. (SJW meaning acknowledging racism and sexism exists in the real world in ways that never affect them). All the arguments against social justice in TiA are always caricatures cherry-picked to mock actual victims of racism and sexism. Let's just say their end goal is suspect and no different from racists and chauvinists of the 60s.
I think there are some people there who are like that, but imo most of the time they are a minority (depending on the thread just like everywhere). I think most people are sort of moderate social democrats/liberals that like to make fun of extremes of have a kind of 'hug box' when big 'social justice' stuff breaks out on social media, and there are also some /r/cringepics type people there who are relatively apolitical and just want to make fun of people who they think are silly. I don't always agree with the consensus (it can be quite nasty sometimes) and the amount of proper debate is less than it used to be, but I don't think it's very different from most of the other 'lets mock x people' subs, and quite a lot better than some of the social justice ones. It's a mixed bag.
The overwhelming majority of the time I've seen racism and sexism downvoted to oblivion, but I'm sure there are some cases where it's not.
I've visited there alot and I do not agree. /r/TumblrInAction is basically white guys yelling at things they feel offends them. The survey carried out showed exactly that. It's filled with people who think feminism/social activism is a threat to them. This therefore attracts MRA'S/SRSSUCKS/stormfront in varying degrees. Due to the very lack of actual SJW's, they've stretched their finds to outside tumblr and those posts now outnumber the actual posts from the tumblr boogeymen.
They are more likely neoconservatives than anything. I really doubt they are liberal. The whole gamergate bullshit was proof enough of that already when you notice the overlap between TIA and Kotakuinaction users. The rhetoric that I've seen on KIA is one of the saddest yet most prevalent examples of a cult of personality.
This has given rise to places like /r/KotakuInAction where grown men and teens actually believe that they are fighting an infestation of SJW's. I have been labelled as such and have many people insta downvoting me on SRD for that very sentiment.
If there is one thing /r/TumblrInAction is good at, it's that they get around and are currently everywhere in the defaults now.
This is the current 4th top post titled - Black kid has higher IQ than Albert Einstein, everyone must be made aware of this, literally NOW
If that does not speak volumes about /r/TumblrInAction then I don't know what to tell you anymore. It's no longer SJW. It's just anything "not white" and that is not an exaggeration.
Holy shit, someone went to SRDD to call for reinforcements for people saying bad things about TIA. How desperate can you get?
subredditdrama links to and circlejerks about a thread in tumblrinaction. Any comments that don't express hatred of tumblrinaction is downvoted
Good thing the admins are on the case. Gonna be fun to watch your accounts drop like flies.
>This is the current 4th top post titled - Black kid has higher IQ than Albert Einstein, everyone must be made aware of this, literally NOW
>If that does not speak volumes about /r/TumblrInAction then I don't know what to tell you anymore. It's no longer SJW. It's just anything "not white" and that is not an exaggeration.
The implication in that tumblr post was that people aren't reblogging that the black boy is so smart because they are racist. That's obviously reaching and very reflective of the SJW attitude: finding bigotry where there is none. Racism is also a social justice related topic and the post is from tumblr. What exactly are you concluding otherwise from that submission?
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Oh lovely you just went ahead and declared all the commentors racist because that's the true conclusion you made from the post.
>This is the highest voted comment which was written by the OP of the post. It does not mention the conclusion you've drawn.
It doesn't have to. The post is there because of the implication of racism. Other comments that you decided to leave out like this one (the third highest comment noting the fact that second highest just said that Hawking's IQ is unknown) details why it's not everywhere - and it's not because of GRRR HOW DARE A BLACK PERSON BE SMART.
The rest is basically just arguing that IQ tests are meaningless. I don't agree but I can see why someone might say that because intelligence is more important when applied.
The IQ rarity comment was probably your ace-in-the-hole but it just shows that we haven't heard of any of THOSE people either because it's not being "spread everywhere"
The original implication is that the unsourced image with false text is not being spread everywhere because of racism but that is exactly the SJW thinking that is the reason it's featured in the sub.
Who were you replying to? They deleted their comment...guess they must not have liked being called out.
I removed them and banned the user because it was a novelty account.
Ah okay. It looks like they're ban evading on a different account, /u/unidan-prime. Could you look into that?
nuked, thank you!
Apparently /u/Very-white-opinion but it could've been /u/unidan-prime which is also a very low karma account made around the same time. For some reason they deleted the comment but also reposted the same thing here.
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At least you've made some mental gymnastics to defend the person who implied that this bit of (unsourced and false) trivia hasn't been spread everywhere because of racism. All while shoe-horning your original intention of painting the sub as racist. Well done?
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>Now notice that all those comments are forgetting why there is a hubbub in the first place. The kid is 11. It is not because he is black. But I'm sure the totes not racist TIA users could see that.
Except the link explicitly highlights his skin color.
>They are more likely neoconservatives than anything. I really doubt they are liberal. The whole gamergate bullshit was proof enough of that already when you notice the overlap between TIA and Kotakuinaction users.
Apologies for ignoring the rest of your comment but I feel like it could just devolve in to a 'uh huh....nu uh' type conversation, because I don't agree with it and neither of us have anything like evidence (I should say that I am a non white left social democrat/socialist and I go there and that there was a survey where most people were liberal etc but I don't think this is going to convince you).
But, I thought this was an interesting thing about 'gamergate,'. imo, the audience that I was seeing on twitter was basically regular people, mostly apolitical and somewhat liberal, very few conservatives (like most young people) mostly teens etc. The liberal gaming sites sort of had a hand in creating their own reality to some extent; while some of the people who were initially involved were conservative/etc, most people were as described earlier. But as the polarised and one sided coverage of what was going on continued, where they were calling the people they were against conservatives, mra's etc, actual conservatives and various other people started covering what was going on and being 'on the side' of the 'gamergate' people. Conservatives, who had almost no play with young people now have a (I don't know what it's actual size is but it seems not insignificant) in with a large section of young people. If they'd been a little bit more even handed and denounced their readers less, the whole thing would have blown over and this wouldn'tve happened.
Imo this is what this kind of 'social justice' in group thinking and clickbait can do.
Something similar is true with the 'cultural marxism' stuff, it is sort of 'class war' with the material substance stripped out. 'Cultural marxism' is a synonym for 'politically correct' culture most of the time I've heard it and you can kind of see that this culture is basically hegemonic in most of the political and material 'elite' and/or middle classes, while it is not the thinking of some plurality of regular people. iirc majorities of working class people are against immigration in the UK (just to give an example) and some significant subset of regular people are voting for anti immigration parties in Denmark/Sweden/the UK/etc. This is the meaning of cultural marxism imo, the disconnect between some part of regular people and parts of 'elite culture'.
I think this has been going on for a long time. I remember reading in some interview book with Chomsky from the 90's, I'm paraphrasing but he is saying that this is essentially what people like rush limbaugh are doing, they are taking the material substance out of class based arguments and making them purely cultural, about the culture of rich people (which basically correlates with 'pc', socially liberal east/west coast values etc) and setting it against the culture of another 'true' America, which (although it has lots of rich people in it and geographical elements) is more in-line with the culture of the relatively powerless. They also have various narratives that celebrate 'the common/white man/woman/etc) while these things are often chastised in liberal circles. Of course it is balls and is used by right wing groups to give legitimacy to policies that would make these people even more powerless, but I think it is a problem for left/liberals that 'gamergate' demonstrates in a relatively consequence free way.
This article really nails it down IMO.
Its Jack Thompson 2: Leftist Boogaloo. Exchange "violence" for "misogyny" and "indecency" for "triggering" and you have the exact same debate. The only difference is that JT assaulted from the outside making him easy to laugh off.
I'd just hope that most people who have sided with Milo, Breitbart, et al realize that all extremism is bad, not just leftist, not just rightist. Though of course the natural liberal slant of the gaming industry makes right extremists much less of a threat than left extremists, not to mention that left extremists have an aversion of taking things to court and would much rather harass people out of their way.
(I really hesitate to call people whose M.O. is censorship "liberals")
I think you may be projecting.
I feel like there was a time when that was true, but it sure as fuck isn't true nowadays.
/r/SubredditAnalysis of TiA shows most overlap with TRP, MRA, SRD, Imgoingtohellforthis, 4chan... Make of that what you will but I think it shows the dominant ideology of these folks.
Racism is consistently upvoted if it is dog-whistle racism, or saying SJW are worse than neonazis, White Rights etc. There is more than enough proof of this.
TiA has more overlap with AskWomen and TrollXChromosomes than RedPill so I think you're full of it.
http://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditAnalysis/comments/2horkt/rmensrightsdrilldownseptember_2014/
Also: The TiA Drill-down
| Subreddit | Overlapping users | |:------|------:| |/r/cringepics|4501| |/r/4chan|3154| |/r/Games|2879| |/r/cringe|2504| |/r/SubredditDrama|2469| |/r/pcmasterrace|2351| |/r/thatHappened|2327| |/r/rage|2093| |/r/reactiongifs|2092| |/r/ImGoingToHellForThis|2050| |/r/facepalm|2040| |/r/fatlogic|2020| |/r/woahdude|1839| |/r/pokemon|1804| |/r/gameofthrones|1800| |/r/MensRights|1730| |/r/fatpeoplestories|1713| |/r/circlejerk|1707| |/r/JusticePorn|1692|
There is a world of difference between MensRights and TRP. While I find some things they post to MR disagreeable, it's nowhere near as bad as TRP, which is openly misogynistic.
...pokemon?
Hey, pokemon is go damn amazing, All subs probably have crossover to its sub!
That's a lie, the sub you linked to shows you're lying. /r/cringe pics is the top overlap. Then it's 4chan,games,cringe,SRD, pcmasterrace, that happened, rage and etc.
All of the instances in which SJWs are compared to whiterights Is when they advocate segregation and talk about how white people need to be exterminated.
Also 4chan isn't some evil website. Only people who think that are dumb idiots news reporters.
http://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditAnalysis/comments/2horkt/rmensrightsdrilldownseptember_2014/
The TiA Drill-down
| Subreddit | Overlapping users | |:------|------:| |/r/cringepics|4501| |/r/4chan|3154| |/r/Games|2879| |/r/cringe|2504| |/r/SubredditDrama|2469| |/r/pcmasterrace|2351| |/r/thatHappened|2327| |/r/rage|2093| |/r/reactiongifs|2092| |/r/ImGoingToHellForThis|2050| |/r/facepalm|2040| |/r/fatlogic|2020| |/r/woahdude|1839| |/r/pokemon|1804| |/r/gameofthrones|1800| |/r/MensRights|1730| |/r/fatpeoplestories|1713| |/r/circlejerk|1707| |/r/JusticePorn|1692|
TiA is a large sub. Men's rights has below 100k subscribers while TiA has over 100k. Of course it's going to have a massive overlap with other subs. Also you are deviating from your point. You said Tia had a large overlap with MR and the redpill. Not that mens rights had a overlap with TiA.
Edit: your edit doesn't change anything. My point still stands. Men rights is the 16th sub with most overlapping users. /r/woahdude and /r/pokemon have more overlapping users than men's rights.
Mooooooooooooooooove those goalposts.
Interestingly the first non-SRS subreddit for SRS is SRD, so if TiA is literally TRP, SRD is literally SRS.
I'm not really sure if I trust those things, there were a few of them that showed here had the most overlap with tia. It could be that theres been a big change in the user base since then, but they seem half random.
There's tons of subreddits that are about cherrypicking the most ridiculous aspects of other communities. /r/conspiratard and /r/EnoughLibertarianSpam come to mind. Making fun of these ridiculous caricatures doesnt mean your some sort of bigot against these people although I'm sure those people exist. Its just that people like making fun of people when they make ridiculous statements. Its pretty ridiculous to equate doing that to Jim Crowe era racism though. And some would say making a statement like that should be mocked and thats why places of TiA exist.
Well, there are actual very good targets for what TiA was originally meant to be. The other day someone posted there an article which accused a white woman who had chased down and apprehended the black juvenile who had grabbed her phone on the street, of racism. I shit you not, this was an actual published article and that's what it said. The problem with a place like TiA is you get stuff like that, and then you get a flood of dog-whistle bullshit as well. Also, their mods are a bunch of fuckwits which doesn't help.
>The other day someone posted there an article which accused a white woman who had chased down and apprehended the black juvenile who had grabbed her phone on the street, of racism.
Coincidentally, the user who posted that article was /u/bluemayhem, the person involved in this drama here.
Huh. Props to him on both counts then.
I'm intrigued by the recent few instances of the term "Dog-Whistle" I've come across... I feel like it's being used as a "What they're saying isn't racist/sexist, but I want it to be because they're making fun of attitudes/opinions I personally have, and I can't logically explain why they're wrong."
If you want to think about it that way you can, but the meaning is actually pretty clear. Dog-whistle racism is where the exact wording is ambiguous, but the intent is clear to those who they're communicating it to. So it's not a case of not being able to logically explain it, you can. At which point they go 'oh no, I never thought you'd interpret it like that, perhaps it's you that's racist'. Seen that shit way too many times to be giving the benefit of the doubt.
> Dog-whistle racism is where the exact wording is ambiguous, but the intent is clear to those who they're communicating it to.
Oh I've always misunderstood why "dog whistle" was the phrase used. I though that dog whistle racism called other racists to the thread, but now I see it's like a dog whistle is only audible to dogs, the racism is coded for other racists.
Think of the words 'urban' and 'gangster'.
Now imagine a person from Stormfront hearing them.
Hilariously, Stormfront actually have guidance notes on how to 'talk to the public', their very own PR effort, involving words to use, substitute, avoid, talking points to hit etc. I don't think it's going that well for them.
>I don't think it's going that well for them.
It works scarily well on reddit, actually. Check out the comments section of any /r/videos, /r/todayilearned, or /r/news post involving black people and you'll see the codewords all over the place.
Or /r/conservative calling the president or Neil deGrasse Tyson a "thug"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-whistle_politics
It's more of a guilt-by-association thing. If you say something that racists also say, regardless of whether it's actually racist, you must actually be a racist too.
TiA is so far up its own ass that even when confronted with the epitome of misogynistic sexism (Ex, The Red Pill)they always manage to turn it around and say its actually Social Justice Warriors fault.
What? SJW, in the way TiA use it, refers to the people who will make a problem out of nothing, claiming racism or sexism where there is none. TiA isn't some "secret racist agenda", it's just there to point out how insane people can get when it comes to social justice. Pointing out obvious mental gymnastics =/= secret racist agenda.
I used to be a subscriber there, but now it really is just pretty much shit.
'whiteness as default' isn't some radical SJW insanity. It's also not the biggest thing about racism, or whatever, but if someone wants to talk about it, shouting them down with 'lol SJW the fact you're even talking about this proves racism don't real radfem errything is racist' is...kinda childish.
TiA used to point out the really awful products of a privilege-focused ideology - the people claiming white people were appropriating MLK by quoting him, for instance. Now it kind of does seem like 'a person started talking about something that exists and maybe deserves to be talked about but is not really a big deal? They are basically SRS!'
I keep seeing more and more ex TiA people on SRD these days. Good to know that I wasn't the only one who didn't like the direction that sub took in recent times.
same here. I thought I just wasn't "getting it" but then I finally "got it"; the comments were more circle jerky than /r/circlejerk with not even a fraction of the self-awareness and got downright nasty more often than not.
now we sit and wait for a swarm of TiA defeners to ask us for histograms, peer-reviewed studies, and photographic evidence that TiA has ever not been totally the coolest.
I've done that before. I swore that I wouldn't take the TiA has gone to shit bait,but couldn't resist it. Now I wait for downvotes and request for links. Should root around my comment history and dig up some stuff from last time when I played TiA is the best. I could link to the time I got downvoted to hell in TiA when I said that a SJW can sometimes make sense.
> when I said that a SJW can sometimes make sense.
That doesn't fly there. They're so delusional, they actually believe SJWs are the pinnacle of evil--worse than nazi's and isis. It's actually quite amusing. /r/bestofoutrageculture does a great job of documenting this kind of stuff
The have literly said SJW are worse that Red Pillers,.
>They're so delusional, they actually believe SJWs are the pinnacle of evil--worse than nazi's and isis. It's actually quite amusing.
no, they just love making fun of SJWS and people who make a big deal out of nothing, and go out of their way to be offended on behalf of other people so they can be smug and feel superior.
The closest I've ever seen anybody compare SJWS to Nazis in TiA is when a tumblr post advocates for segregation, claims interracial relationships are bad, advocates for "keeping the ____ race pure", etc. so they play the "SJW or Stormfront?" game.
The whole concept of SJW is infinitely objectionable. You're basically claiming here, and I've seen this sort of claim before (from other people that use SJW unironically), that anyone that talks about racism and sexism or any other -ism in a way you don't approve of is doing so only for their own gain. That speaking of -isms is fundamentally self-serving, and awareness of those social ills does nothing but raise the reputation of the person who speaks about them.
It's a claim, basically, that requires a hell of a lot more proof than dropping an acronym and running. If you legitimately think that the only reason someone talks about, I don't know, racism is because they want attention and elevation to their status, and deep down, they're secretly racist -- you should actually prove it.
Otherwise, it just looks like you're whining because some people care about racism and that makes you uncomfortable.
>The whole concept of SJW is infinitely objectionable. You're basically claiming here, and I've seen this sort of claim before (from other people that use SJW unironically), that anyone that talks about racism and sexism or any other -ism in a way you don't approve of is doing so only for their own gain. That speaking of -isms is fundamentally self-serving, and awareness of those social ills does nothing but raise the reputation of the person who speaks about them.
No. I'm talking about tumblr "feminists" and SJWS who get offended over every fucking thing, no matter how little. I mean minor shit like the lack of PoC characters in Frozen, or people making fun of their head canon where The Doctor is a gay, autistic, transsexual womyn of color with 17 headmates.
I saw a post on TiA last night where some chick on Facebook got mad over the fact that the comic book character Catwoman has been portrayed by 1 black actress, out of 5 total (apparently Halle Berry's portrayal in the 2004 Catwoman movie was so godawful, it doesn't even count,) then blows up on her friend (the OP) because they pointed out that regardless of how bad the movie was, it still counts.
>If you legitimately think that the only reason someone talks about, I don't know, racism is because they want attention and elevation to their status, and deep down, they're secretly racist -- you should actually prove it.
>Otherwise, it just looks like you're whining because some people care about racism and that makes you uncomfortable.
I don't mind people sharing stories and examples of the discrimination/bigotry they've faced because they're gay or black or trans or a woman or whatever, that's obviously 100% fine by me.
It's when people rage about a complete non-issue like Jared Leto playing a trans person in that movie Dallas Buyers Club, or Kate Middleton and Prince William's baby son being declared a boy, because "how do we know he even identifies as male?!?!?!" or Ellen Page coming out of the closet ("she's only getting all this attention and praise because she's white!!!")
The truth is, rabid SJWS are just as likely to bring race into a discussion where it's not even relevant as a neo-Nazi, and they are pretty fucking stupid
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...but a lot of TiAers go out of their way to be offended. They say minorities should get a thicker skin but they can't take it when someone from Tumblr says white people have starbucks for blood.
They make fun of SJWS for getting butthurt over the fact that Dean Winchester from Supernatural isn't transsexual, or saying that all men are animalistic rapists who can only keep their primal urges in check by playing violent video games, or gay men aren't gay because they like penis, but because they are the ultimate misogynists for not wanting to fuck women.
Stupid shit like that, not people sharing stories of the discrimination and bigotry they are victims of because of their race, gender, sexuality, etc., and other perfectly valid, acceptable and important issues to want to raise awareness of.
>The closest I've ever seen anybody compare SJWS to Nazis in TiA is when a tumblr post advocates for segregation, claims interracial relationships are bad, advocates for "keeping the ____ race pure", etc. so they play the "SJW or Stormfront?" game.
No, they've actually compared SJWs to Nazis.
The Nazis won.
condeming generalization whille generalizing in that same statement.
if TiA really is as bad as i generally claimed i find it facinating that the discourse here is so similar. the biggest difference is the targets.
I lurked it, for a time, because I was, at some past point, actually annoyed at poorly done social issues posts all over the internet. I found them pandering, and most often click-bait. I didn't count myself as extremely educated, but I did have more of a background in those sorts of things than the average layperson, I guess, so I disliked what I perceived to be profound disrespect for and ignorance of the rigor of those subjects, and the history of their ideologies and theories.
It became very apparent, very quickly, that TIA had even less respect than any of the tumblr bloggers they posted. That while the bloggers were wrong and very frequently ridiculous or offensive, TIA was beginning to embrace a fiercely anti-liberal arts and anti-progressive slant. Whereas someone co-opting queer theory to claim oppression of their tulpa or inner dragon was wrong and offensive to queer theory, actively opposing queer theory altogether (re: trans issues, most often) elevated the level of rhetoric to actual homophobia. Same thing with "Fat Logic." While there's plenty of HAES activists who have said stuff that's just plain wrong and unhealthy, it began to appear that TIA was embracing a rhetoric that encouraged full-out bullying of fat people, and denying long-proven facts about obesity (that it's linked to depression, that it's cyclical, that it runs in families, that certain conditions make weight loss more difficult, etc).
What happened is that their rhetoric came less from an understanding of those issues and a critical analysis of a blogger's flaws, and more of the extremely common hostile and willful ignorance of those issues. It was nothing I could not get from FOX News or 4chan or other well-known conservative outlets.
In other words the offensive seems to most often come from a place of hostility and ignorance, not a place of knowledgeable disagreement.
TIA and like-minded subs, who dig up the worst of the click-bait and obscure bloggers, have made it very uncomfortable to try to do reasoned rebuttals of that click bait or ill-informed blogs. They're pretty much encouraging that people associate objection to the worst of tumblr to bullying and harassment. It's extremely hard to address the inaccuracies of a HAES post when the last three dozen people that did it were extremely hostile, mean, and just plain wrong. It guarantees that nobody takes the reasonable rebuttals seriously, or has any obligation to, really.
So they're both entrenching the worst opinions of the people they are opposed to, and they're combating those opinions the wrong way with the wrong information. They're making the problem worse, and giving both sets of extremists every reason to never take objections to their opinions seriously. Either because they come from "crazy SJWs," or they come from people that harass their blogs and call them all sorts of names.
The whole thing is really frustrating, honestly.
I was a regular member under my old account. It has really gone downhill since it began.
I took one look at that sub and vowed never to return. Not to mention their childish and hypocritical view of np. links.
Eh,it was fun when it was deerkin getting tremors when their kids ate venison. Now it's almost exclusively gender wars and more ironically non tumblr stuff. Their np has always sucked. Previously it was unreadable, and then they made it inaccessible.
Its just that TIA is literally based off of linking and laughing at people, and then they get whiny and don't let people link to them.
Its so dumb.
This is deja vu. Last time I had this conversation with a TiA defender , they very kindly explained to me it was different because they linked to tumblr, and not reddit. Off site brigading is cool. Their don't touch the poop policy is about as effective as np on SRD.
> Off site brigading is cool.
Brigading is linking from another subreddit and those users manipulate votes.
Don't touch the poop refers to SRS' policy on not voting in any linked submissions.
Tumblr has no votes.
>Don't touch the poop refers to SRS' policy on not voting in any linked submissions.
Where did SRS come in?
Tumblr has no votes but I seem to recall quite a few linked tumblrs getting lots of TiA-ish notes and asks. Granted, I can't be sure if all of it was other tumblr users calling out some ridiculous BS,but there were quite a few where people explicitly stated they got there through TiA(don't ask me to find those, reddit search is bad enough, and I haven't saved any of those things). The stay away from the poop is meant to discourage any sort of contact between the people on TiA and the tumblr lot, clearly it's not always fool proof. I should probably have said interaction over brigading.
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Yeah. I really hated when they started discussing things that I personally care about. Why couldn't we just talk about the otherkins that the sub was 100% originally about?
We really need a /r/truetumblrinaction. It's the logical progression of things. Strictly no non-tumblr links, and no gender wars. Bring back the otherkins and astral wives!
>We really need a /r/truetumblrinaction
My tulpae are crying out for that right now!
My tulpa can beat your tulpa.
Your tulpa owes me money.
Shit.
Steals your wallet and runs away.
I don't think I needed a sarcasm tag but apparently I do. The line that I just said is word-for-word the exact line of thinking that all the "ex-TiA" people say around here. The illusion that TiA was only ever about otherkin (the easiest ideology to disagree with) and nothing else is a common theme in "it used to be good but..." rants.
If anything I do agree that non-tumblr links should be banned. There is plenty of content on tumblr (non-otherkin too!) that can fill up the sub.
Definitely didnt pick up that sarcasm. And yup, I'm one of those "it used to be good.." ranters.
I'm one of those filthy feminists, and I was fairly okay with the more radfem-y stuff they used to have on there. Hell I even posted stuff on there on my old account about some ridiculous jezebel article.Then everything changed,gradually, until all shades of feminism was worse than the KKK on there and anyone going against the hivemind was a fat lazy cunt.
"Racial awareness is racism" is radical SJW bullshit, from people who use ANY sort of perceived inequality as an excuse to demonize everyone and everything that doesn't bend over backwards to stoke their ego. Go to any Walmart or Target and there is a large variety of dark-shaded bras (or any kind of underwear) available. I don't know what kind of shitty department store that Oaklahoma Daily writer went where she seriously could not find any. No, there won't be quite as many available as the lighter shaded ones, but that's to be expected in a country where African Americans only make 15% of the population.
Wow, calm down. 'whiteness as default' is a bunch of observations about how people tend to imagine (and design clothes for) the 'generic person' and it's an interesting thing to talk about. People like you, who flip the fuck out about 'radical SJW bullshit' whenever anyone mentions it, are literally exactly the problem I'm talking about.
Also, idk if Target has darker nude bras, but a black bra is not at all the same thing as a nude bra for a black or brown person. You don't disprove 'they don't sell nude bras for anyone whose skin isn't peachy-tan' by linking to literal black bras anymore than by linking to hot pink ones.
So it's okay for you to say that TiA is "pretty much shit", but you're giving me the "wow, calm down" speech for saying the same thing about SJWs? Come on now. I'm not flipping out about anything, I'm just calling it as I see it. There is nothing wrong with pointing out what is wrong with this article when the top commentor in this thread is seriously suggesting that the people who disagree with it (in other words, TiA users) are "no different from racists and chauvinists of the 60s."
Nah, he said that the end goal of the TiA commenters who hate anyone who ever talks about race is 'no different from racists and chauvinists of the 60s'.
SJWs say and do some truly unacceptable shit.
Racism is a thing.
Other issues which are related to race but aren't the same thing as racism, and yet which still can usefully be discussed with reference to some of the same concepts (like, say, the fact 'nude' bras are usually peachy), exist.
A world where we call anyone who talks about racism or talks about those other issues a radical SJW and accuse them of 'demonizing everyone' is a shitty world. Therefore, as much as I am not a fan of SJWs, I am way less a fan of people who derail literally all conversations that even tangentially touch on race by throwing wild angry SJW accusations around.
I literally saw a post about appropriating MLK the other day. I haven't really seen many, examples where it is just shouting down SJW's.
To be honest, I feel SRD has become a lot more SRS, with people going on about MRA's and "filthy neckbeards".
Nah, SJW the way TiA uses it is the same way 4chan uses it: anybody who dates take umbrage with wanting bigotry is labeled a SJW. It's the new bogeyman since 1. SRS activity dropped and 2. People realized there's an internet outside of reddit and 4chan where said wanton bigotry isn't as accepted.
> Nah, SJW the way TiA uses it is the same way 4chan uses it: anybody who dates take umbrage with wanting bigotry is labeled a SJW.
I would've agreed with you if you were talking about reddit in general and not TiA. I mean, that sub literally links to Social Justice Warriors everyday. How can you disagree that the people like this are not helping social justice but rather working against it? It's the kind of people that have went much beyond the line that everyone else was trying to accomplish just to prove how superior and extreme they are.
And more often than not they post and masturbate over things like this, not to mention the really obvious instances of trolling that they put their blinders on to just so they can feel superior to feminists and the like. I mean come on.
Edit: another total SJW post on the TiA front page right now.
This thread has been linked to from elsewhere on reddit.
^(I am totes' unyielding will.)
Yeah, this has been noted in /r/circlebroke, /r/openbroke, /r/badhistory, and SRD. It's more conservative reactionaries and mra's than anything at this point. Just an excuse to complain about cultural marxism, gay parades, postmodernism, feminism, reverse racism, political correctness, and all there other favorite boogeymen.
Along with plenty of homophobia, transphobia, misogyny, and racism interwoven in the comments. During Ferguson it got pretty bad, and now worse with gamergate crap. They style themselves as socially liberal but that's contradicted in the comments section with nearly every topic.
They even have a right-leaning alternative to SRD a la /r/thepopcornstand. Search /r/badhistory for their sub name and there's a gold mine of neo-fascist rhetoric upvoted there.
>reverse racism
I hate this bullshit. Call it what it is- racism. No need to put in "reverse."
> During Ferguson it got pretty bad, and now worse with gamergate crap
We banned all posts on those topics within a few days of them happening...
Hm...nothing here or here for /r/thepopcornstand. And I don't think nine posts in /r/badhistory qualifies] TiA as a "gold mine of neo-fascist rhetoric". Especially when a few of those submissions are cross-posts from TiA in which they agree with the sub.
Edit: You know, it really doesn't look good on you to delete you account. Makes it look like you don't have conviction in what you're saying....probably because you know you're wrong.
As someone who has a fair number of SJW friends, I think part of the appeal is that it's a safe place to be skeptical and to vent outside of the constricting, purity-focused environment where you'd normally encounter SJW-type stuff. It helps one stay grounded.
However, I've spent more time in TiADiscussion than TiA itself.
You sound like someone that has never been to TiA at all.
Ugh the fact that this is top post just shows SJWy SRD has become. Downvotes to the left
For a bunch of oppressed people, TiA contributes more to SRD than any other 'SJW' sub, yet you still play the victim card the hardest.
SJW is the new "check your privilege". It's a convenient way to shut down conversations.
But it really goes to show how paranoid the tia crowd has become. They perceive everything in a false dichotomy--you're either with them or an SJW, no rationalizations or arguments required. If MLK was alive today, tia would dismiss him as a big whiney SJW.
It;s actually come full circle, where the frothing anti-SJW crowd has become as annoying as the extremists they initially critized
It's horseshoe theory upon horseshoe theory.
First the extreme SJW type somehow sounded more like extreme right/Stormfront.
Now the frothing anti SJW type has changed into the type of "oppressor shitlord" that the SJWs were initially up in arms about.
Which is just proof that the SRS experiment succeeded.
Very few SRSers ever actually fit the label people apply to them. That was the circlejerk. Nobody cared about the other parts of the Fempire when men and women, cis and trans, discussed and debated ideology and pet theories respectful of everyone. They only care about the CIRCLEJERK.
Because that's what SRS is. A circlejerk. Few members actually want all cis scum dead, or hate all men or white people, etc. Its a parody of "oppressor shitlord".
A tiny little corner of a tiny little corner of the internet where people were OTT intentionally was taken seriously by "oppressor shitlords" and brought out the exact sort of beliefs and behavior SJWs were insisting was there all along.
SJWs didn't create them. They forced them out of shadows by offering a target.
The fact that SRS regularly links to people BEING 100% SERIOUS "oppressor shitlords", but the average redditor walks away nodding in agreement with the linked poop while thinking the circlejerking about the poop is the REAL problem says everything.
tldr The oppressor shitlords weren't imagined, they were always there, and there is a not at all subtle difference between "lol white tears, die cis scum, DAE circlejerk" and "Here is my fourteen paragraph thesis on why black people are subhuman and will always be criminal thugs and racism don't real, DAE SJWs are the real racists?"
There are perfectly valid reasons to disagree with certain aspects of SJW ideology and methods, but much of the examples of their radical extremes are obvious sarcasm and parody being taken/presented seriously (where the fault for that lies is up to you) while the casual racism, homophobia, sexism, transphobia, etc that makes up the "other side" is much larger and completely serious.
It's an important distinction people willfully ignore just so they can maintain their "both sides are equally at fault" narrative.
SJWs didn't create bigots by fighting for equality too hard in the wrong ways. SJWs were born IN RESPONSE to the bigotry.
Yes there are extremes on both sides, but they're not proportional at all. SJW, SRS, and ideology of both are great things to label people on the defaults in order to silence them and get upvotes. Overt sexism/racism/homophobia/etc is a great way to get upvoted as long as you wrap it in a pretty bow.
Racism doesn't even need the bow.
SRS is just a circlejerk? They're a very angry bunch of wankers then.
>SRS is just a circlejerk?
Uh yeah, it's on their sidebar. "Rule X".
Yeah...this thread seems less about the drama and more about smug circlejerking.
Then contribute. Because someone says something about TIA you don't like, it must mean it's SJW's? really?
This post is really funny coming from a username like yours. You're a textbook SJW.
I am. I already disproved that one poster who said that TiA was some sort of "gold mine of neo-fascist rhetoric" instead of blindly believing what they were saying.
> Downvotes to the left
If you insist.
>I never get the TiA demographic. It's like people who want to be racist or sexist but can only express it by being anti-SJW. (SJW meaning acknowledging racism and sexism exists in the real world in ways that never affect them).
So basically what you're saying is that they're not saying racist/sexist things, but you're still certain they're racist/sexist. Also, if you really think that that's all "SJW" means then you clearly haven't looked at a single submission to TiA, unless you think that the people who dox and harass people, spread historical misinformation, and encourage outright bigotry are just misunderstood, reasonable activists.
>All the arguments against social justice in TiA are always caricatures cherry-picked to mock actual victims of racism and sexism
It's not a caricature if it's an actual person. It may be hard to believe, but yes, the people featured are (usually) real, and they're not insignificant. Many are in positions of power, especially on the internet where outrage and clickbait are rampant.
>Let's just say their end goal is suspect and no different from racists and chauvinists of the 60s.
And let's top it off with baseless smearing. Seriously, if you actually pay attention, you'll notice that the vast majority of people on TiA are not anything like you've described.
At its worst, it's a way to be sexist/racist/whatever and get away with it. At it's best, it points out real hypocrisy in SJW movements. Kinda depends on the post