/r/short discusses why the princes in fairy tales are tall and fair. They also discuss why the villains are short and fat. (np.reddit.com)
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298 comments submitted at 12:22:18 on Nov 26, 2014 by partytimebro
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Yes, but seriously, SRD has no problem mocking short people for their height. It's not body-shaming unless it's fat women.
/s
Deja vu
He was in the last r/short thread too lol
That's the great thing about /r/short drama. You can always count on the drama coming here, and it's always the same users.
Holy shit, the fat women thing again. Every single time /r/short is mentioned here this line gets trotted out, despite the fact that that kind of drama is
You're really doing your persecution complex stereotype no favours here. SRD mocks a huge fucking range of people, because it's the purpose of the entire subreddit. If you don't like that, fine, but stop making out you're some kind of special case.
So I just want to make sure, you would think that articles such as these [1] [2] [3] (pick any one, they are all similar), deserve the same kind of mocking? They basically say the same thing in the thread except they replace "short men" with "fat women".
Why do you want to make sure? Are we here talking about SRD and /r/short, or are we talking about thefatword.com?
Looking for consistency, otherwise it would be hypocritical, no? Or a double standard. We don't have to live in a SRD bubble - its okay to discuss the outside world, especially if there is context.
Say those articles were linked to by a Reddit subreddit (which they were, thats how I found them), and the comments all echoed the statements. Do you think that would receive the treatment this particular submission received (I understand its a hypothetical) from SRD?
>We don't have to live in a SRD bubble
No, we don't, but as we're talking specifically about threads in SRD it seems pretty weird to bring up completely different websites. And do you know what my answer is? It's if there isn't drama, I don't care. Because this is subredditdrama. I don't know why this is such a hard concept for /r/short to get. Your sub gets linked because you have a bunch of fights.
There wasn't even a fight in the comments (aside from one tall poster who dismissed the comments out of hand).
So lets not talk about SRD at all. What is your opinion on the sentiment expressed in the articles I linked and the sentiment in the submission here? The drama involved is due to a disagreement on the sentiment of the issue. It seems like you are biased and hold a double standard on the argument itself.
>So lets not talk about SRD at all.
You're replying to a comment in which I talked about SRD threads. So if we're not going to talk about that, let's take it one step further and not talk at all. You seem to have fundamentally misunderstood the concept of 'replies'.
> Yes, but seriously, SRD has no problem mocking short people for their height. It's not body-shaming unless it's fat women.
That is the original comment you replied to.
The entire point of SRD is linking to outside drama, but SRD gets to decide what is "drama" and what is not. I am saying there is a double standard there. You keep dodging the issue by limiting the discussion to "abloo abloo DIS SUBREDDIT THREADS ONLY". The entire point is you won't be able to find threads on this subreddit mocking fat women (like they do short men) because there is a double standard. The articles I linked say the exact same thing that is being mocked on /r/short right here, there are other subreddits that linked to the articles and say the exact same thing. This type of thinking isn't limited to /r/short like SRD likes to pretend it is. However, only /r/short gets picked on by this subreddit for saying the same thing and replacing "fat women" with "short men". If that isn't a double standard, then what is it?
>SRD mocks a huge fucking range of people, because it's the purpose of the entire subreddit.
This is wrong. The purpose of this place isn't to mock people. It's to share and discuss drama. Where you go from that point just shows how you want to use it.
I like coming here to read through arguments and get exposed to both sides. But the comments in SRD can be total shit. And it's attitudes like yours, how you approach the subreddit, that makes it worse.
While I've got this soap box out - it's concerning how few contrary voices there are around here. Dissent gets buried quickly. I think it might be that people coming to the comments from a drama thread are primed to see things through a competitive lense, where it's side A vs side B.
Anyway this place doesn't have to be about mocking people. That's not the purpose, it's your purpose.
You can disagree if you want, but the purpose of the sub has always been entertainment, explicitly. It was when it started, and it hasn't changed. If you don't think that means mocking then you're just wrong.
The vast majority of subreddits exist for entertainment so that's a given. The "explicit" purpose of this one is to share and discuss drama.
Mocking people may be a prerequisite to entertainment(in this sub) for you, but it isn't necessary for myself and others. You can't make your method/preference the only way.
I don't have to make it my way, this was how the sub started, how it continued, and how it is. Doesn't show any signs of changing either. Whether you like it or not, SRD is pretty much reddit's equivalent to TMZ.
Actually, the first post ever says that this place is a watchdog for corruption. Not that that matters, ofc, unless you're some kind of subreddit originalist. Which you are.
That's your way. Not everyone elses.
I've been coming here since the sub was small. I started using it as a source for meta news. I know other people (most moderators) who do the same thing.
I've stuck around for big stories, stuff like the violentacrez fiasco. Basically everything meta that involves some kind of change gets recapped here.
There has always been people who use the comments here to dissect arguments, or carry on the argument themselves in the comment section. People discuss the drama in different ways.
Your insistence on "mocking" being the purpose doesn't make you right, just bullheaded.
>Your insistence on "mocking" being the purpose doesn't make you right
No, the history of the sub and the majority of the subscribers make me right. I was here pretty much from the start. Hell, if you include Saydrah I was here before the start. And once again, it's always, always had mocking as pretty much the raison d'etre. If you want to use it in a different way that's fine, but if you're going to start calling out all the mocking comments you see, you're swimming against the tide.
You're not right. I've been here "pretty much from the start" too. The very purpose of this place isn't to mock people. It's to share and discuss drama, etc etc. We could go over this in circles. So I'm stopping here.
It's almost thanksgiving, I'm on vacation and there are banquets to prepare for.
But I want to clarify
>but if you're going to start calling out all the mocking comments you see, you're swimming against the tide.
I'm not going to start doing that. I'd go crazy!
I want to leave you with this:
http://i.imgur.com/xrltFwR.jpg
Have a good one
On fat women, from yesterday:
> I know Reddit loves to hate on fat people but that was really random. (+69)
Same thread, regarding women's bodies:
> Just imagine if there was a sub called "Real Men" with pictures of 10/10 6 ft+ guys with chiseled abs and 7 inch cocks. Reddit would whine nonstop about it and complain about how unfair and sexist it is. > > Reddit loves playing the "what if the genders were reversed?" game. So, just imagine. (+68)
Mind you, these were not even criticisms or jokes directed at these people these SRD users are replying to. These were just comments about how the users of /r/RealGirls don't find fat women attractive.
But yeah, it's the exact same thing than when you pile on short guys. I also see how you go on and criticize those dismissing them and "hating them".
/s
If you want to lie to yourself so that you can continue mocking short men, fine. But don't cry like little girls about people mocking fat women after.
Goddamn your example sucks. A person posted a picture of an incredibly attractive black girl with the title 'Not enough black real girls on here' and someone replied basically 'That's because almost all black women are fat'. That's race drama by pretty much any account, as shown by pretty much every comment following the one you linked. And for the record I'm fine with that being characterised as random, because it was. The second comment is more about the unrealistic expectations/objectification of women. The mental gymnastics to make these a factor in the oppression of short men is fucking incredible. Even when you stripped it of all context you still failed.
As for piling on short men, once again, we're SRD. If you stop being dramatic, we'll stop linking. But until then we'll keep turning up, because we're /r/subredditdrama, not /r/subredditrightingallwrongs.
Edit: Lol, just saw your comment in there. So you completely missed the point, brought up /r/short in a completely unrelated thread, and then whined about a persecution complex while displaying a persecution complex. You're on a roll.
> The mental gymnastics to make these a factor in the oppression of short men is fucking incredible
I'm not factoring in "the oppression of short men". I'm just pointing out how comfortable you are in mocking short men for their height and body shaming, and the hypocrisy in your attitude when the body shaming is directed at hambeasts.
>I'm just pointing out
And you did it wrong! You fucked it up, and you did it incredibly clearly. All anyone has to do is follow the comments that you linked, the ones that you chose, and it doesn't support your argument.
I've also got to love that you're such an idiot that you managed to fit 'body-shaming' and 'hambeasts' into the same sentence. Turns out it's not the principle of the thing, you just don't like that you yourself get shit for being a bitter shortarse. I'd have refrained from short insults, but seeing as body-shaming is clearly no longer a problem for you I'm assuming that you won't be offended.
Please refrain from name calling. It adds nothing constructive.
> I've also got to love that you're such an idiot that you managed to fit 'body-shaming' and 'hambeasts' into the same sentence
Why? I'm not the one who proclaims himself to be against body-shaming, chum. That's you people. As far as you know, I could be some shill for the fashion companies.
But since you so react so vehemently to people making fun of fat women, or saying they aren't attracted to fat women, I take it that you follow /r/ShitRedditSays standard of "body-shaming is shitlord territory"...
..except for short dudes. Then it's fair game :)
>Why? I'm not the one who proclaims himself to be against body-shaming, chum.
Actually, you are. That's the entire reason you're here, remember?
>SRD has no problem mocking short people for their height. It's not body-shaming unless it's fat women.
>it's the exact same thing than when you pile on short guys.
>I'm just pointing out how comfortable you are in mocking short men for their height and body shaming
Or is body-shaming only not ok when it's done to short people? Because if you're saying that it's ok, then it seems to me that you're saying making jokes about you being a tiny bitter man that can't get laid because no self-respecting woman would look that far down, are ok.
As for me, I don't recall ever expressing an opinion on the matter. I just love your blatant and self-serving hypocrisy. Anyhow, I'll leave you to your napoleon complex.
> Actually, you are. That's the entire reason you're here, remember?
Not at all. I'm here to point out how hypocritical you are.
> Or is body-shaming only not ok when it's done to short people? Because if you're saying that it's ok, then it seems to me that you're saying making jokes about you being a tiny bitter man that can't get laid because no self-respecting woman would look that far down, are ok.
It would be OK. If it were coherent with your behavior dealing with other "horrible personality" people. Like with this woman, or this hambeast, if it ever came to it. It would be OK if you had the same behavior towards horrible people who were fat, for instance. But since you seem to have a limit (i.e. women, fat people, black people, etc), you'll still come out as a hypocrite.
Oh please, that's like saying that the fact that we find /r/TwoX a shit show means we hate women or the fact that we make fun of /r/LGBT, /r/ainbow, and /r/gaybros means we hate the gays.
/r/short is not being mocked for their height and bodyshaming. They're being mocked for their attitude. I do notice that there times when it gets a little more mean and short men are made fun of in general manner, but it's usually just one or two commenters. The rest of the thread, like the majority of this one, is just making fun of /r/short.
Signed, a short guy.
> If you want to lie to yourself so that you can continue mocking short men, fine. But don't cry like little girls about people mocking fat women after.
I believe you are completely misintrepreting this. The 'joke' isn't about short men... it's about the drama in the sub. It's always about the back and forth, the inflammatory responses, the copy pasta material, etc. It's about laughing at the folks who take this website so seriously that they type up a term paper on their opinions and act like literally anything is the end of their own little world.
SRD isn't mocking short men for their heighth, they're mocking how spun up that sub gets about it. Same for any sub. It seems like you are out looking to start a fight about your cause and making up enemies where there aren't any.
And to harken back to the linked thread- is anyone in today's world going to argue that old-timey fairy tales should be used to teach kids about the world at large?? Fairy tales are fucked up in general and no one's taking them at face value. It's not some conspiracy against short men. And when you start listing off recent children's movies to back up that arguement, you start feeding into your confirmation bias. (For instance, take Wreck-it-Ralph. The hero is Felix. He is much shorter than Ralph but he is portrayed as good-hearted and well loved, he even ends up with his romantic interest by the film's end.)
I don't think anyone is mocking short men so much as the users of /r/short, which...I mean, they do seem to have a bit of an obsession with their own persecution.
I don't think anybody denies that there are advantages to being tall and disadvantages to being short. But even being 5'4" is compared to women's body issues or racial discrimination it is sort of hard to take you seriously.
I'm not comparing it to racism. I'm comparing it to fat-shaming. What are you going to say? That women's body issues are worse, because...?
Even if I accepted your argument that it's not as bad, you are obviously using it as an excuse to unload a letany of mean-spirited jokes and mockery towards it. So because they are not as "oppressed" as fat women or black people it's OK to mock them?
Yeah, that's real body-positivity and progressive thinking there... You surely show you are more mature than the typical redditor...
It's not about "advantages and disadvantages". It's about social prejudice. There are physical advantages to being short or tall; but there are only social advantages for being tall and social "disadvantages" (read: bigotry) for being short.
Tell that to an unusually tall teen girl that isn't lucky enough to also be exceptionally slim and well-proportioned. :| "Godzilla" isn't the most flattering nickname to be referred to as, let me tell you what.