More mod drama in r/neopets after another mod is demodded without explanation and the head mod "steps down" (np.reddit.com)
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196 comments submitted at 17:38:53 on Dec 4, 2014 by BeffyLove
More mod drama in r/neopets after another mod is demodded without explanation and the head mod "steps down" (np.reddit.com)
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189 ups - 0 downs = 189 votes
196 comments submitted at 17:38:53 on Dec 4, 2014 by BeffyLove
>What more do you want to hear? Examples of such claims?
As a person completely uninterested in neopets and wholly interested in drama, I gotta say yeah, that's exactly what I want to hear. Sounds like good popcorn.
I'll gladly tell you what he told me.
1) I allegedly called another mod a "cheater" months ago in a PM to another mod. I wasn't shown the message they were referring to and the person I allegedly told it to is someone I rarely speak to. Either way, the person I called a cheater admitted to selling certain items on the site for real money which ding ding ding means you cheat. Nothing against her personally at all but that's just the facts of the case.
2) In the past another user and I had heated arguments and I had publicly bitched about it to people in a skype chat. That user and I had, since I made those comments, talked about our issues and dealt with them. She even said in the thread that she had forgiven me and moved past it. Alex (Strat) apparently had not.
3) A huge misunderstanding happened the night before in a skype chat where I was having issues with my skype after a clean install of windows, tons of backlog was loading (11k+ messages) and a user was grieving about a family member being sick and soon to be passing. I was unaware this conversation was taking place and was complaining about my skype issues; everyone else thought I was talking over this user and ignoring her grieving and thought I was being a dick.
I decided to publicly apologize and say it was a good decision to de-mod me precisely because I knew fighting Alex's personal vendetta against me would lead to nothing but days and days of drama and quite honestly; I don't have the patience for that crap. So I decided to let Alex throw his trantrum about me, let him win and just apologize to everyone despite all the issues he brought up basically being pointless and rehashing old issues I had already taken responsibility for and that had already been addressed with the user directly.
Strat also claimed I "threatened" to step down as a mod but in speaking to Diceroll, he said that's not what he talked to Alex about. He never said I had made a "threat" to leave, that we had merely discussed my talking about leaving. Again, Alex twisting things for his own personal vendetta.
So in the long run and in hindsight, I am 100% happy that I decided to just let Alex win and apologize. Looking at all of this ridiculous drama caused by Alex's actions directly, I'm just glad I'm removed from all of this. Alex has done a lot of bullshit on the subreddit, he's caused a shit ton of drama and talked/bad mouthed a shit ton of people and yet he tried to act as if things I had done (and taken responsibility for) were somehow FAR MORE MASSIVE than all of the shit he's caused? ......LOL Okay.
Alright Josh. You wanted the hard way, but like I said in our skype chat, I'm way ahead of you. SRD Mods, I'm sorry for evading a ban on an alt. I had sent a message to you guys, but no one was on and I'm impatient.
> 1) I allegedly called another mod a "cheater" months ago in a PM to another mod.
No, you called her a cheater to me, by saying she had connections to clraik. http://imgur.com/SpfeQDw
You had no proof.
>Either way, the person I called a cheater admitted to selling certain items on the site for real money which ding ding ding means you cheat.
It's funny that you call her out for being a cheater, but yet you deny the fact that you ever have cheated as well, despite your constant denial. But hey, we can ask /u/Diceroll123 to confirm that you had been moderating Neocodex, another cheating website.
> Nothing against her personally at all but that's just the facts of the case.
Yeah, I love some facts.
> 2) In the past another user and I had heated arguments and I had publicly bitched about it to people in a skype chat. That user and I had, since I made those comments, talked about our issues and dealt with them.
Ohhhhh. See, this is the problem. She did. You didn't. You kept on shit talking behind her back, that's why I told you to not be an actual shitbag to her by lying.
> 3) A huge misunderstanding happened the night before in a skype chat where I was having issues with my skype after a clean install of windows, tons of backlog was loading (11k+ messages) and a user was grieving about a family member being sick and soon to be passing.
Oh really? A huge misunderstanding that the person involved posted about it and then deleted all her comments because of harassment?
>I decided to publicly apologize and say it was a good decision to de-mod me precisely because I knew fighting Alex's personal vendetta against me would lead to nothing but days and days of drama and quite honestly; I don't have the patience for that crap.
No Josh, it's because you have shit on me. You cower out when people call you on your bullshit and lies and act like a victim. You claim that I shit talk behind people's back? No Josh, it was only to you. I told that to Lab, and to Dino, to be careful of you. Just as I did to Mel and Steven. And look what you're doing here, acting like tough guy.
You're a piece of shit.
Hi, Lead Mod at Codex here, Kate/woug. Yeah, bud, I don't know how to tell you this, but Josh is not and never has been a Moderator on Neocodex. Don't give a flying fuck about the drama between you guys but that needs to be cleared up and I know Steve wouldn't make false claims like that either, so good luck getting him to "confirm" something that is hilariously untrue. I find it even more hilarious that when Josh responded to that portion, you skipped replying back. Wonder why that is. :) Probably because you're grasping at straws in a (poor) attempt to slander him. So ballsy, wow, hero of the day. loooool
1) Saying someone has connections to Clraik is not saying she is a cheater. You can be a member of Clraik and not cheat. You and Mel both told me that I had apparently said to nstarz that Mel was a cheater. So I'm going off of what you all claimed I had said.
Just because I was pointing out a fact about Mel does not mean I was bad mouthing her. If it weren't true, then sure. I have no problems with Mel but that doesn't change that Frank went around and told everyone she was selling NC items for real money.
2) I was never a moderator of Neocodex. I'm not sure where you're getting your information from because your facts are 100% false.
I have admitted to my cheating in the past. That's why some of my accounts in the past were frozen. I have never denied the crap I did in the past. Ever. So again, get your facts straight.
3) I didn't "Keep shit talking" whitneyface behind her back. The only times I made comments about her were during the arguments we had and this was months ago and after it all happened, I messaged her and apologized to her. Since those past issues, I haven't said anything about her because there haven't been any discussions between the two of us.
4) Her postings being removed on reddit has nothing to do with ME. I also apologized to her for the skype incident and not realizing what she was talking about and she accepted my apology. Another user posted her reddit username and mentioned specifically what was going on in her personal life, not me. That's why she deleted her comments and everything. That had nothing to do with me.
5) I have shit on you? The first time I met you Alex you called me a faggot and said I was beneath you because I'm gay. You've bad mouthed pretty much every user of the Subreddit for being "stupid fucking morons". You were frozen for scamming people of NC items, aka real money. You basically stole money from people and you're really going to try and lecture me about how I'M a horrible person?
I didn't do shit to you. Get over yourself. I have and will gladly admit anything I've said about someone or to someone. I take ownership for the things I say. Look at the havoc you have caused on a subreddit you claimed to have loved, look at the shit you caused for Mel. Look at all the shit you've done to the users of the subreddit over the past year or more.
And you're really going to try and say I'm a horrible person because I've said some things behind people's backs? I'll gladly admit my wrong-doings and I have. Will you?
> Saying someone has connections to Clraik is not saying she is a cheater. You can be a member of Clraik and not cheat. You and Mel both told me that I had apparently said to nstarz that Mel was a cheater. So I'm going off of what you all claimed I had said. > Just because I was pointing out a fact about Mel does not mean I was bad mouthing her. If it weren't true, then sure. I have no problems with Mel but that doesn't change that Frank went around and told everyone she was selling NC items for real money.
It doesn't matter whether what someone said about her, there was no proof. You went on a baseless statement from someone to harass her about it.
>I have admitted to my cheating in the past. That's why some of my accounts in the past were frozen. I have never denied the crap I did in the past. Ever. So again, get your facts straight.
I'm not accusing you of what happened in the past, you still actively cheat. Along with a whole lot of other users. You're nothing new and time will get you.
> I didn't "Keep shit talking" whitneyface behind her back.
Sure, and when I would see the latest disagreement with her you were already on the go.
> I have shit on you? The first time I met you Alex you called me a faggot and said I was beneath you because I'm gay.
Bullfuckingshit, I would have heard an earful from a lot of people a long time ago, you know this isn't true. What is true that every time you mention your sexual orientation is for when you want people to take pity on you.
> You've bad mouthed pretty much every user of the Subreddit for being "stupid fucking morons"
No, you're exaggerating. I just called them morons.
>You were frozen for scamming people of NC items, aka real money. You basically stole money from people and you're really going to try and lecture me about how I'M a horrible person?
Gee, who told you this. The charterians that went on a vendetta to harass me on facebook? I was frozen for selling my own NC items and admitted to it because I didn't fucking care about playing anymore. Friends would contact me to buy their items and so I did, because it was worth the while to not pay double the amount it would be on the normal market, that's just stupid. All the drama on the NC Mall ended months before that.
Lecture you? You need a miracle; you love to pretend that you're all innocent and truthful, but the fact is you don't say anything until someone calls you out on it.
>I take ownership for the things I say. Look at the havoc you have caused on a subreddit you claimed to have loved, look at the shit you caused for Mel. Look at all the shit you've done to the users of the subreddit over the past year or more.
Oh really? Are you going to tell Dave how you told us in the mod chat, that you had a whole skype log of what all the JN staffers say about other people and how you were going to use it against him?
The shit I caused for Mel? She has repeatedly said that you are the problem. Not me. All the shit I've done? All the shit I've done was because I go on power trips, you act like the way you are because you're a shitty person and act oblivious to it.
You haven't admitted shit.
Is this really turning into a pissing contest? -__-
I never harassed Mel. I had reasons for my believing she was connected to Clraik. In fact I even brought those things to Mel and she told me I was fucking stupid and got pissed at me for a few days. We talked later and made up.
> you still actively cheat
Okay Alex.
> Sure, and when I would see the latest disagreement with her you were already on the go
What? Lol She and I haven't had a disagreement in months. What are you even talking about?
> I would have heard an earful from a lot of people a long time ago
This happened like 4 years ago on Facebook and it was a huge blow up because I went off on you for it and a bunch of our mutual neopets friends took up for you because you were "just a kid". I remember this clearly; it's precisely why I've never been a fan of you. I rarely mention my sexuality especially not on the subreddit (unless it's a LGBT related subreddit). I'm not asking anyone to take pity on me for anything. lol
> you love to pretend that you're all innocent and truthful
I'm not pretending to be innocent and truthful. I have, multiple times, admitted where I have been an asshole, said mean things about people, etc. I am not denying that at all. I have apologized to people for that behavior and for the most part, those people have accepted the apology and agreed to move forward.
> The shit I caused for Mel? She has repeatedly said that you are the problem. Not me
All this drama is so ridiculous. Mel wants to get mad because of things you're saying but yet she has also been pretending to my face to be my friend. So she's mad at me for the same things she's done? lol
Sigh. This is just getting ridiculous Alex. Yes, I have said things behind peoples backs. Yes I have lied about things before. I am not denying any of that. So you and Mel and others think I'm a horrible person. That's fine but is all this strung out drama really necessary? I swear this feels like high school all over again.
>Is this really turning into a pissing contest? -__-
Do you want it to be?
> This happened like 4 years ago on Facebook and it was a huge blow up because I went off on you for it.
I was 16 when that happened, 6 years ago. I had said that being gay was a choice and you responded that I was the scum of the earth and that I wouldn't understand the bigotry and how you felt victimized because of people like me. See, the problem was, I didn't understand anything about gay people other than what I grew up with in Central America. That was Catholicism, which continually brainwashes people in regards to "the gays" as they homophobicly remark. I apologize for my homophobic statement as I have learned since.
>I'm not pretending to be innocent and truthful. I have, multiple times, admitted where I have been an asshole, said mean things about people, etc. I am not denying that at all. I have apologized to people for that behavior and for the most part, those people have accepted the apology and agreed to move forward.
Right, and none of that happens until people demand it from you. It doesn't come from yourself because you don't care.
>All this drama is so ridiculous. Mel wants to get mad because of things you're saying but yet she has also been pretending to my face to be my friend. So she's mad at me for the same things she's done? lol
She is mad at you. Because of yourself. Nothing to do with me.
>That's fine but is all this strung out drama really necessary? I swear this feels like high school all over again.
Yes, I'm calling you out on the shitty things you do. You admit to them until you've been harassed enough about it. That is the literal problem.
> I was 16 when that happened, 6 years ago
First you said it never happened. Now it did? Sorry, I had my timeline wrong. Either way, I did eventually put it behind me that's why we were mostly cordial with one another. I wouldn't have joined the sub as a mod or added you on facebook if I didn't move past it but that doesn't change that it did happen.
> Right, and none of that happens until people demand it from you. It doesn't come from yourself because you don't care.
You are right. There are and have been times I should have apologized to those people prior to being called out on it. I did apologize to Whitneyface long before this incident.
As for the user with the personal life issues, I was unaware the conversation even took place due to the skype issues I had been experiencing. But either way, I am not that heartless of a person to do something like that on purpose or intentionally.
> She is mad at you. Because of yourself. Nothing to do with me.
I understand that. I was just referring to the statement Clim made in the sub that Mel was recieiving death threats due to this SRD post and in turn deleted her reddit account. Which, wouldn't have happened had you just came to me and actually talked to me about all of this instead of turning it into this huge dramatic spectacle. I get you're pissed at me and some of your points are more than valid. I'm not debating that, I just think this could have been handled better.
> You admit to them until you've been harassed enough about it. That is the literal problem.
Yes, I admit I should have apologized to people back when the comments were originally made. But instead of making this into a huge public spectacle, you could have just came to me and said all of this and literally none of this drama would have happened.
I have not fought my de-modding at all, have I? I've been pretty cordial during all of this, have I not?
> First you said it never happened. Now it did? Sorry, I had my timeline wrong.
Yes, if you see the story I described, none of it involved calling you a faggot much less being beneath me for being gay. But seeing how you agree with what I said, it shows that you were lying, once again.
> Which, wouldn't have happened had you just came to me and actually talked to me about all of this instead of turning it into this huge dramatic spectacle. I get you're pissed at me and some of your points are more than valid. I'm not debating that, I just think this could have been handled better.
You've had plenty of opportunities in which you could have stepped up your act. I told you this a long time ago, and you continued acting the same. The drama spectacle started when I started to abuse my power, and it had nothing to do with /u/industria
Seeing it was r/neopets that attacked her, and even some of the SRD subscribers.
> Yes, if you see the story I described, none of it involved calling you a faggot much less being beneath me for being gay. But seeing how you agree with what I said, it shows that you were lying, once again.
I wouldn't have cared had you just said my sexuality was a choice. I live in KY; I hear that comment pretty much every day. Lol I suppose we remember the conversation very differently. You treated me as if you were beneath me, so I suppose my wording of saying you "said" that was incorrect.
> You've had plenty of opportunities in which you could have stepped up your act
And again, I am not disagreeing with that?
Lol pretty much everyone knows industria cheats but no one cares enough about a dead game to bring it up. It's also pretty sad that the way she cheats is by whoring herself out. I honestly don't care because 99% of the people in Truth cheats anyways and please don't even try to deny it. We all know what your guild leader did. Industria also obviously has emotional issues and I sincerely hope she goes to see a psychologist.