I Really Want to Play Grand Theft Auto V, But I Won't. Here's Why. (jezebel.com)

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40 ups - 9 downs = 31 votes

23 comments submitted at 21:51:20 on Jul 10, 2013 by LiveHardandProsper

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  • tuba_man
  • 31 Points
  • 23:37:47, 10 July

> HI I AM FROM BROTAKU I AM GOING TO WRITE A 50 PAGE DISSERTATION TELLING YOU WHY I DON'T CARE ABOUT ANY OF THIS SO CAN WE PLEASE STOP TALKING ABOUT IT ALREADY.

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  • 6lbsOfCheese
  • 11 Points
  • 02:34:45, 11 July

At least Saints Row lets you be whatever the fuuuuuuck you want

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  • fuckeverythingever
  • 10 Points
  • 01:08:11, 11 July

Ugggghhhh. Im still buying it just because I wanna plan bank robberies. Also they had 3 slots, like....COMON

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  • jmarquiso
  • 5 Points
  • 06:04:21, 11 July

Payday: The Heist and Payday 2. Closest thing to the adrenaline rush of a Heat and Point Break I've ever played. Wait until we find out more about the system they have in GTA V before leaping on that, because Rockstar has never had a great tactical game.

Payday is more Hollywood Heist logic than real heist logic, but then so is GTA.

Real heists should be about returns on investment. You can't have the fancy guns and explosives and stuff unless you pay for them through a fence and make sure they're untraceable. The more people you kill is actually more of a liability, and bank robbers avoid it. In fact the most common is pretty silent, as you normally have a person come up to a teller with a note, get what they can from the teller, and run off. Banks normally don't have large sums of cash on hand and transport it via armored vehicle on a regular basis. Most transactions are kept track of electronically with no reason to keep it at a branch vault. I have yet to see a heist game use this as a game mechanic - if you're going to spend the money on expensive equipment, make sure the return is/ worth that. And remember you're splitting the score. Thief 3 and Hitman: Blood Money took this into account the most, mind you.

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  • fuckeverythingever
  • 1 Points
  • 06:22:02, 11 July

Ummm I know about bank robberies no need for uneeded condenscension. I have no idea if you're trying to convince me to not play the game or are just saying this to say it?

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  • jmarquiso
  • 5 Points
  • 06:24:38, 11 July

I guess just to say it. It's a pet peeve of mine in heist games and movies. n Didn't realize I was being condescending at all. Really wanted to recommend a more tactical game to plan bank robberies in fact.

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  • fuckeverythingever
  • 1 Points
  • 06:28:07, 11 July

I already pre-ordered Payday 2 because I had fun with the first one. All hiest portrayed by an media is unrealistic. You may not have been condenscending, I may just be taking it too personally. The only close to accurate displays of bank robberies ive seen were in the movies "The town" and "The place beyond the pines"

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  • jmarquiso
  • 5 Points
  • 06:51:46, 11 July

Most accurate I've seen are The Usual Suspects and - believe it or not - the first Ocean's 11 remake. It got more and more ridiculous in sequels, but the first did a good job of establishing the stakes, and most of the heist didn't require ridiculous hollywood tech. The Rule of Cool still took precedent though.

Favorite "realistic" heist is still the NY Finest Taxi Service hits in the Usual Suspects.

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  • fuckeverythingever
  • 4 Points
  • 07:17:25, 11 July

The usual suspects did an amazing job conveying hiest. The town though I thought was pretty spot on to how east coast robberies work/ irish mob stuff.

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  • onedayiwokeup
  • 16 Points
  • 22:14:05, 10 July

That's pretty much my policy these days. If I can't play as a female character in the drat game, I'm not playing it at all

Made me buy less games, so I'd say it has a good and bad side.

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  • kundry_
  • 14 Points
  • 23:09:27, 10 July

I remember feeling all optimistic when I saw this promotional image for the game:

http://images.vg247.com/current//2012/11/gta5grandtheftautov2.jpg

"Oh, a badass promotional image! And, this new GTA game has three protagonists? Surely this must be one of them!" Nope, joke's on me, LOL.

FWIW, I told Rockstar I'm not buying it and it's for that reason. Vote with dollar, etc.

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  • Khanstant
  • 6 Points
  • 05:06:46, 11 July

I really thought a woman was one of them. Dang.

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  • riomhaire
  • 3 Points
  • 12:54:39, 11 July

Rockstar have a history of having women displayed prominently in in the promo art, box art and loading screens who have absolutely nothing to do with the plot of the game at all.

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  • StaticSignal
  • 1 Points
  • 15:37:22, 11 July

Rockstar, more than almost any developer I'm aware of (outside Japan, obviously) treats women as just decoration. Scenery. Rewards. Tinsel. Objects. I haven't played GTA and no matter how good it looks, I'm not about to start now.

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  • jmarquiso
  • 4 Points
  • 05:58:39, 11 July

Funny enough, this spread to /r/truegaming, and I thought I'd share my response here:

>Frankly, I never found the GTA series - or Rockstar - all that well written. They're amazingly realized worlds with a satirical vent, don't get me wrong. But the writing is just a step above the "Movie Movies" (Epic Movie, Scary Movie, etc), by being a pastiche of the films and media that inspired some of the plotlines rather than being its own original thing.
> Even GTA IV is a cross section of Scorsese films and the modern gangster picture. Even the lauded Red Dead Redemption is a laundry list of references to greater westerns. THe most in-its-genre-but-different is probably LA Noire, which resembles Dragnet in its structure and some of the mysteries were original (and others were based on famous LA mythology), but it still ended up being a "shooter in your favorite film genre". > That said, they do a great job of creating interesting protagonists. From Claude Speed to CJ to Niko Bellic. And Rockstar does go out of their way to have interesting portrayals of minorities - from CJ himself to Gay Tony. Heck, GTA V is shaping to be its own mix of Heat and Fast & Furious. Sleeping Dogs has far more originality in its scope - a non-Rockstar game - itself inspired by a cross between 70's Hong Kong Chop Socki flicks and Internal Affairs (Hong Kong picture The Departed is based on), and has women in interesting places (with similar problems). > This is where the problem you state comes in. The genres that they're riffing on have historically not treated women well. They're either love interests, temptresses, betrayers, or literal whores. Even the far more stylish and less Gangster "Ocean's 11" merely has Julia Roberts as "the girl" and not a real character in the grand scheme of its story. That said, Noire and crime has had some memorable characters and protagonists (Bonnie of Bonnie and Clyde, Jackie Brown, Karen Sisco in Out of Sight, Lisbeth in the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo), as well as girlfriend/wife characters (Poppy in Scarface '32, Mia in Pulp Fiction, Kay Adams-Corleone in The Godfather saga), no reason they can't attempt that in GTA.
> I suspect that in GTA V- as they're going for a Heat vibe in the game - the main character's wife and kids (mentioned in the therapy sequence in the trailer) will play a deeper role (a la Val Kilmer's character in Heat), which will be noted for a "positive portrayal" that still would leave alot wanting to me. > Entertainment Weekly wrote a short article about women in gangster films and here's an egregious example of the mysogyny of the genre, an article that lists the top 10 gangster molls. > That all said, this is my favorite film genre. Crime fascinates me. And I feel that GTA has never done the genre justice. It's amusing, don't get me wrong, and engaging. But for the most part not nearly as successful of capturing the genre as I'd like. Team Bondi / Rockstar's LA Noire is the closest, but not quite there.

link to the post.

Also, a less mysogynistic "Top list" of female characters.

Edit: That list is also not very good.

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  • bafokeng
  • 3 Points
  • 10:08:33, 11 July

> Internal Affairs

As an aside, I would highly recommend Infernal Affairs :3

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  • MittRomneysChampagne
  • 2 Points
  • 08:22:23, 11 July

> I never found the GTA series - or Rockstar - all that well written. They're amazingly realized worlds with a satirical vent, don't get me wrong. But the writing is just a step above the "Movie Movies" (Epic Movie, Scary Movie, etc), by being a pastiche of the films and media that inspired some of the plotlines rather than being its own original thing.

I found Red Dead Redemption well written, especially compared to Rockstar's other games. I guess maybe it was better because it was made by Rockstar San Diego. It also has a pretty good female character in Bonnie MacFarlane, running a ranch and riding around with you.

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  • jmarquiso
  • 2 Points
  • 11:55:26, 11 July

Honestly, I found it more likely due to the incredible body of work they were parodying (note: not satirizing). It comes from a love of the genre, but isn't necessarily original.

Note, I mean original, not making a judgment on its quality.

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  • GoldenWyvern
  • 4 Points
  • 10:31:26, 11 July

I really hope they have a female protag at some point, really surprised they didn't take the opportunity now, when they could simply have had one out of THREE.

But I'm assuming multiple characters will be a trend, so I'm staying optimistic.

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  • thelittleking
  • 12 Points
  • 23:15:22, 10 July

It's pretty damn unbelievable that not one of the leads is a woman. Good that there's a black guy, though that's not exactly a step in the right direction, given they already took that step in San Andreas. Not that I'm implying that step shouldn't be taken again, but I hope they aren't patting themselves on the back or anything.

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  • BZenMojo
  • 18 Points
  • 00:38:55, 11 July

It's not really a step if they've already taken it. Anyway, this will technically be their third black protagonist, which is impressive. But they had THREE SLOTS to fill and they went with well-dressed middle aged white man and sloppily-dressed balding middle aged white man.

Hell, most of the people anticipating the game thought it was either Claude or Tommy Vercetti because THEY'RE STARTING TO LOOK ALIKE.

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  • notevenkiddin
  • 1 Points
  • 16:00:22, 11 July

Wait, after this new guy and C.J., who's the third?

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  • jmarquiso
  • 3 Points
  • 05:56:12, 11 July

Actually, it isn't that unbelievable. Rockstar games are basically parodies of a genre rather than being original. And while there are some great female characters in the genre, the majority of them do not have them. This isn't an excuse, mind you. It's just an explanation.