I am Rebecca Aldworth with Humane Society International. I’ve been working to end Canada’s commercial baby seal hunt for nearly 20 years by documenting the hunt at close range, closing down world markets for seal products (including a ban in the EU), and leading a grassroots movement – AMA! (self.IAmA)

IAmA

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I’m the executive director of Humane Society International - Canada and I work primarily on our Protect Seals campaign to end the annual commercial slaughter of baby seals in Canada.

The issue: Essentially, the Canadian seal hunt is a slaughter of baby seals – they’re clubbed, shot or impaled with metal hooks for their fur. Ninety-seven percent of the seals killed in the past five years have been less than three months old, and the majority just one month old or less.

About me: I grew up in a sealing community in Newfoundland but became opposed at an early age after seeing the hunt on TV, and in the early 2000’s I began working against it full-time. Since then I’ve helped to secure a ban on the trade of seal products in the EU and for the past fifteen years I’ve been a firsthand observer of the hunt, escorting more than 100 scientists, parliamentarians and journalists to the ice floes to witness the slaughter.

We estimate that in the last five years our work has saved more than 1.4 million baby seals, but there’s a long way to go: the Canadian government continues to give subsidies to sealers and is trying to open new markets for seal fur.

Here are some links you may be interested in:

Proof: a pic of me, pic of me in an article

Ask me anything!

2142 comments submitted at 13:31:18 on Jul 26, 2013 by rebeccaaldworth

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  • manzana9
  • 153 Points
  • 15:26:07, 26 July

What is your opinion (or perhaps the opinion of the Humane Society International-Canada) concerning Indigenous groups (particularly Inuit and Innu peoples/groups) participating in seal hunting (in regards to seal hunting as part of intrinsic social/cultural/economic customs/foundations)?

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  • daymcn
  • 60 Points
  • 16:24:27, 26 July

As an aboriginal woman, I would like to know the answer to this question.

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  • randygiesinger
  • 13 Points
  • 17:54:39, 26 July

I think this may have been answered in the word "commercial". The Inuit and Innu are entitled to the right to hunt and cultivate the lands. If I was to go shoot a polar bear for the hell of it, that is illegal, however if it threatens my life I can. However they are allowed to hunt it for the meat and fur

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  • rebeccaaldworth
  • 107 Points
  • 16:19:04, 26 July

HSI is not campaigning against the Inuit subsistence seal hunt, which occurs in Canada's arctic. Notably, most bans on seal product trade that we have worked to achieve contain a clear exemption for products of traditional Inuit seal hunts (this is the case in the EU, Russia and Taiwan).

What we are trying to stop is the industrial scale, commercial slaughter of seal pups that occurs off Canada's east coast and is conducted almost entirely by non aboriginal commercial fishermen.

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  • ladyfaces
  • 113 Points
  • 17:58:21, 26 July

All of the seal hunt restrictions that are being advocated internationally, like the EU seal products ban, still have major impact on the Inuit seal hunt even with the exceptions that are made for Inuit/Aboriginal hunts.

Here are some of the major issues for Inuit with the EU ban (emphasis mine):

  • One major reason for the ineffectiveness of the Inuit exemption is the fact that the EU ban and the publicity around it destroyed the market for all sealskins in the EU, regardless of origin, as seal products of Inuit origin are indistinguishable from those of other origins to the average consumer.
  • Another major flaw of the Inuit exemption is that while a European manufacturer may be allowed to purchase and import Inuit-harvested sealskins, it is illegal for those sealskins to be manufactured into new products within the EU for placement on the market. This effectively eliminates the EU as a market for the primary Inuit seal product- the cleaned and dried raw sealskin.
  • The EU whitecoat seal ban in 1983 contained a similar exemption for Inuit products, which was equally ineffective. That the EU chose to ignore this fact, which was raised repeatedly by Inuit organizations prior to the adoption of the 2009 ban, only reinforces the conclusion by Inuit and fur industry experts that the Inuit exemption was never intended to function, but merely put in place to make the ban more appealing to the European public.

And, a publication from the Government of Nunavut that outlines how trade restrictions are negatively impacting the economy: http://env.gov.nu.ca/sites/default/files/impactssealban_web.pdf

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  • Jaylanestran
  • 17 Points
  • 19:48:27, 26 July

I'm not particularly against seal hunting, but I don't get the native argument you seem to be presenting. The whole argument for a native hunt being exempt from bans is that it's a traditional way of life that's been going on for thousands of years. But were they selling furs to Europe then?

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  • mDysaBRe
  • 12 Points
  • 23:16:51, 26 July

Obviously not.

But now that our people have been forced into southern life(keyword: forced) and all the expenses that come with it(plus the extremely inflated costs that come with that lifestyle in the arctic circle), we have had to find avenues to make money to stay afloat.

Now, instead of using all parts of the animal, with the skins becoming clothing that stay in the north, we now send some skins to other markets for a very good wage.

Or at least we did, until qallunaat organisations like this killed most of that business of exporting furs.

We suffer the most at the hands of others who feel like amazing, wonderful people that are saving the world. At least the capitalists and industries that come to the north give our people a pittance whenever they fuck us. These organisations give us nothing in return for messing up our lives.

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  • desertlynx
  • 9 Points
  • 21:32:02, 26 July

Exactly. I'm OK with subsistence hunting, but we have to draw a line somewhere, and exporting seal products seems like a good line to me.

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  • lazydragon69
  • 12 Points
  • 18:57:54, 26 July

This needs more attention. Too many times kneejerk environmentalist reactions negatively impact people's livelihoods and quality of life. Regulations / bans get put into place that have unintended consequences that cause a lot of harm.

More thoughtful responses that create economic opportunities while simultaneously protecting wildlife are far better. I'm thinking of the advances countries like Costa Rica have made in eco-tourism for example.

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  • 131i
  • 90 Points
  • 16:26:55, 26 July

The Atlantic seal hunt has been performed by non-aboriginal commercial fishermen for about 500 years. I think that makes it pretty traditional.

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  • butcher99
  • 23 Points
  • 17:57:13, 26 July

Isn't that racist? It is ok for one traditional hunt to go ahead by one people but not ok for another traditional hunt to go ahead by another people? The seal hunt is traditional. There are a lot of things that happen that have a lot fewer years of history that are considered traditional.
It has been happening for from 300-500 years. At what point does it become traditional in your mind. You say you are from a sealing community. try asking one of the elders there if they consider it a tradition.

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  • gzell_
  • 2 Points
  • 01:32:55, 27 July

how much money do you get from fools as ignorant as you?

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  • thousandtrees
  • 508 Points
  • 15:20:30, 26 July

Why are campaigners still using images of whitecoats despite the fact that it's been illegal to hunt whitecoats in Canada for many, many years? Is this not a slightly deceptive marketing practice?

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  • heytheredelilahTOR
  • 80 Points
  • 15:59:39, 26 July

They've been banned since the '80's.

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  • kohbo
  • 8 Points
  • 19:21:36, 26 July

That's almost 30 years ago. As much as it pains me to admit, that's a long time ago.

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  • thousandtrees
  • 89 Points
  • 16:12:27, 26 July

True. But their images are still used in marketing campaigns by anti-sealing groups.

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  • Codeshark
  • 85 Points
  • 16:40:45, 26 July

It might have to do with how cute they look compared to other seals. If what you want protected is cute, people will be more for it.

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  • Drone9
  • 49 Points
  • 17:00:11, 26 July

well that's obviously it but it's a very dishonest practice.

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  • ClimateMom
  • 2 Points
  • 23:42:06, 26 July

People keep saying that, but I only actually see one image of a whitecoat on her entire website. The rest are all patchcoats, including the ones in the header.

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  • bthoman2
  • 10 Points
  • 18:38:47, 26 July

I would argue 33 years is a good many years.

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  • rebeccaaldworth
  • 103 Points
  • 17:34:39, 26 July

Trading in the products of whitecoats has been banned in Canada since 1987. However, whitecoats are newborn harp seals under about 12 days of age, with their white fur coat fully intact. As young as 12 days, whitecoats begin to shed their white fur and become known as "ragged jackets" until they reach about 20 days of age when their white fur is entirely shed. At this point, the pups are known as "beaters." Ragged jackets and beater seal pups are not protected in Canada. Thousands of ragged jackets are killed each year, and virtually all other seals killed are beaters less than three months old. http://www.hsi.org/world/canada/work/protectseals/research/sealpupskilledyoung.html.

Truly, there is not a Canadian government scientist, politician or sealer who would deny this. They may choose to define seals older than 12 days old as "adult" seals, but we dont. For us, a seal under three months of age is still a baby.

Newfoundlanders agree - polling shows 72% want seals under three months of age protected from commercial hunting http://www.hsi.org/world/canada/news/releases/2011/05/newfoundlandpoll052611.html.

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  • heytheredelilahTOR
  • 55 Points
  • 18:45:31, 26 July

What's the difference between killing it at 12 days old or waiting ten weeks?

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  • vincentvangobot
  • 33 Points
  • 20:10:49, 26 July

58 days

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  • sirius4
  • 75 Points
  • 19:42:04, 26 July

Showing the 12 day old gets more donations.

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  • zodrune
  • 47 Points
  • 17:46:27, 26 July

Just goes to show how manipulative and confused the pro-seal killing people on reddit are that they are claiming baby seals are not killed, only seals older than 12 days and dont see a problem with that statement, logically.

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  • pocketknifeMT
  • 72 Points
  • 18:00:06, 26 July

Killing is killing? What does it matter the age, logically speaking?

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  • elus
  • 8 Points
  • 20:50:23, 26 July

Depends on what your goal is. If you want to hunt them but still preserve the population then you typically wait until they've been old enough to produce offspring to replenish the kill rate.

My statement may not jive with the actual goals of the OP, it's just a response to your specific question. I don't have a stake in this particular issue and as such haven't really read much about it.

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  • zodrune
  • 53 Points
  • 18:15:05, 26 July

It doesnt matter at all, that's the point. However, the pro-killing seals group is claiming that the humane society is being manipulative by showing an 11 day old seal instead of a 13 year old seal.

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  • The_Hectic_Glow
  • 22 Points
  • 22:30:57, 26 July

They are. As a Newfoundlander, I see seal skins all the time. None of them are ever white. They use them in their ad campaigns because they know people will care more about a cute, fluffy, white baby seal than one who is 13 days old and is losing his white fur. That's manipulation.

Also, seals are basically vermin. Keeping their numbers down means that we can keep fishing. If we weren't killing them, we'd be overrun, and they'd have eaten all of our fish before we could catch it.

For the record, I don't have all the facts and figures. All that I have is my personal experience, and the things that fishermen who participate in the seal hunt have told me.

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  • imaceac
  • 2 Points
  • 01:28:59, 27 July

TheHecticGlow

I have your back. What you say is true. And the wonderfully open minded Zodrune here can take a flying fuck at a rolling donut.

This really is an overhyped attempt all round to stop something people don't comprehend fully and only see big baby seal eyes crying. They don't see the mouths that this fishing practice feeds, the bills it pays or the small pension it pays into so someday that fisherman and his wife can dip into just so they can buy groceries and keep the lights on when they are old. A lot of you sheltered, seal right's, people out there don't know what the fuck you are talking about and I wish you would walk a mile in a pair of rubber boots before you open your mouths. I think the fishermen have more than accommodated your concerns, and I'm sure if they could afford it they'd come to your job and protest the ridiculousness of it. Oh wait no they wouldn't, they can't be bothered with your life, they are busy living their own.

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  • rebeccaaldworth
  • 87 Points
  • 16:48:26, 26 July

Its a shame that my answers are being voted down so they don't appear. I think it is important for people to know our position on that.

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  • [deleted]
  • 111 Points
  • 16:51:32, 26 July

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  • rebeccaaldworth
  • 102 Points
  • 17:18:07, 26 July

In the past, I have worked with organizations who put extensive resources into saving the Vancouver Island Marmot. And notably, I remember being questioned then about why we weren't working to save other species when there were others in greater jeopardy. It seems no matter what species you are trying to save, someone will argue you should be doing something else...

I support conservation efforts, but the campaign to stop the commercial seal slaughter is about more than conservation. Sure, there are good conservation reasons to stop the slaughter (and economic and worker safety ones, for that matter). But the reason why so many animal protection groups continue to try to stop the commercial seal hunt is because of the inherent cruelty involved.

Commercial sealing takes place in a very unique environment - far offshore, in the midst of the northwest Atlantic ocean. There, high winds and ocean swells, unstable and dangerous sea ice, and extreme low temperatures and visibility comprise the working environment for the sealers. As a result, the outcomes for seals that are shot and clubbed are often very poor. For this reason, veterinarians argue commercial sealing is inherently inhumane and needs to be stopped http://www.hsi.org/assets/pdfs/Marinepolicyanimalwelfaresealhunt2012.pdf.

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  • Blackhole_Fun
  • 19 Points
  • 17:07:15, 26 July

Or if she has such a thing for newfoundland why not this adorable little guy, he could use some help.

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  • critically_damped
  • 6 Points
  • 21:21:40, 26 July

Yes, because running a conservation effort for one species precludes the possibility that she could care about anything else. If you read below, she DOES run conservation efforts for those, too.

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  • Blackhole_Fun
  • 81 Points
  • 17:03:16, 26 July

You're being down voted because you're spreading miss information and people know that you are. You're better off going to peta forums to garner support.

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  • Vanabrus
  • 41 Points
  • 17:56:15, 26 July

If you're going to say someone is spreading misinformation, at least spell it properly, otherwise you just look like another uneducated idiot.

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  • rkiloquebec
  • 6 Points
  • 18:44:29, 26 July

I think your claim of the group spreading misinformation is invalid. She is being respectful to all and deserves the same respect despite opposing beliefs.

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  • rebeccaaldworth
  • 44 Points
  • 17:20:48, 26 July

Anyone who knows who I am will be aware that I am from a Newfoundland sealing community, that I grew up eating seal meat, and that my family knows sealers. I am working to stop an industry that any sealer who is honest will admit causes a lot of suffering, by promoting a buyout that would put more money into the pockets of sealers than continuing this slaughter ever could. I rely on scientific reports and government data to form my opinions, and so does my organization.

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  • butcher99
  • 57 Points
  • 17:51:35, 26 July

Give a man a fish he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish he can eat forever or until he kills off all the cod. So you give a man some money today and he spends it tomorrow. What is your plan for these people for the day after tomorrow"

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  • helix19
  • 41 Points
  • 20:44:55, 26 July

She stated down below by investing money in building a tourism economy, like the shift from whaling to whale watching (which was quite successful). Don't shoot the messenger, repeating what she said.

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  • shawa666
  • 12 Points
  • 21:15:53, 26 July

Weather's shit in NF. Why the fuck would I go there?

If I wanted shitty weather i'd stay home.

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  • Wyliekat
  • 27 Points
  • 18:25:20, 26 July

A buyout? Have you not already witnessed what the fishery shut down is doing to the economy? How on earth do you, who grew up there, figure that people are going to sustain themselves beyond government hand outs? Show me a place in this world where that hasn't led to stagnancy, social decay and depression?

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  • helix19
  • 22 Points
  • 20:47:34, 26 July

The switch from a whaling to whale watching was quite successful. Whaling was once viewed as an integral part of the economy. It was much larger than seal hunting is or ever was. Now we do quite fine without it. It doesn't hurt to keep an open mind.

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  • critically_damped
  • 5 Points
  • 21:32:45, 26 July

The fishery shut down is SAVING the fishing economy. Overfishing almost completely fucking destroyed the entire thing, and it's not the seals that are stopping it from coming back, and sure isn't the LACK of fishing that is doing that either.

I honestly don't have a clue how people will sustain themselves, any more than I comprehend how there's a thriving city in a waterless hellhole like Las Vegas, Nevada. And there aren't enough seals to sustain them, either, so your entire fucking point is moot.

People find a way, or they move.

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  • heytheredelilahTOR
  • 2 Points
  • 23:39:53, 26 July

> there aren't enough seals to sustain them

Actually, they're at record numbers.

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  • rebeccaaldworth
  • 51 Points
  • 15:37:02, 26 July

When we talk about the seal hunt, we generally use either images of "ragged jackets" (which are harp seal pups after 12 days of age who have begun to shed their white coats) and "beaters" (harp seal pups who are more than 20 days of age and have shed their white coats, but who are under three months of age when they are killed). These seal pups comprise 98% of the seals killed in the commercial seal hunt.

When we promote the amazing wildlife spectacle of the harp seal nursery, we often show whitecoat images, which is entirely appropriate.

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  • thousandtrees
  • 60 Points
  • 15:57:43, 26 July

My personal experience is that many campaigns feature whitecoats predominantly but this may not but true of your organization.

Follow-up question: in 2002, the Canadian Veterinary Journal reported that approximately 98% of seals were killed in an acceptably humane fashion. How does this study fit in with the narrative of extreme brutality in the annual hunt?

And as a final question, if the price of seal pelts went from $105 to $15 between 2006 and 2009, will the hunt fade away naturally as the market shrinks? I couldn't find many numbers on the profitability of other seal products, though I gather the meat is popular in some eastern countries.

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  • tlex26
  • 5 Points
  • 21:43:02, 26 July

Unfortunately that study only took into account the seals that were harvested. Many seal become subject to "struck and loss", meaning they are shot from the sealer's boat and take off into the water and presumably die soon after. Sjare and Stenson (2002) found that seals over a year old, which were shot in the water had the highest “lost” rates. Loss rates for seals under 1 year were 1.3 %, seals older than 1 and killed in the water varied from 4.9% to 50% and adults killed on ice varied from 0% to 11.1%. In recent years, seals less than 1 year account for 90% to 97% of the total harvest yield. So it's still not a huge percentage but when you take into account that some years they are killing 200,000 that's a large number of seals who suffer (about 6,000). The Department of Fisheries and Oceans could do a lot better by tightening regulations in my opinion.

Also, the 98% who are killed in an "acceptably" humane fashion are shot in the head, not always killed instantly, and it takes the sealer a minute or less to walk over and break the skull with a hakapik (Daoust et al. 2002, the same paper you referenced). Now that is fairly humane since the animal doesn't suffer very long. I personally would prefer all the killings to be more instant but it happens.

And my opinion about the seal hunt is if this EU ban sticks (the DFO is currently fighting against the ban through the World Trade Organization) then I think the market is going to collapse enough for the seal hunt to not be profitable any more.

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  • zodrune
  • 34 Points
  • 17:50:08, 26 July

>My personal experience is that many campaigns feature whitecoats predominantly but this may not but true of your organization.

Who cares? They are showing pictures of baby animals that are possibly going to be killed in 12 days or less.

What does it matter that the animal is going to look slightly different in less than two week's time?

This is just a contrived complaint to pretend that the people killing baby seals are the ones being victimized, as opposed to the seal which is so humanely clubbed over the head by someone you are trying to portray as a victim....

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  • rebeccaaldworth
  • 68 Points
  • 16:31:28, 26 July

In fact, that is not what the study found, and the European Union's EFSA panel (which included the author of that study) found this interpretation of the study to be "scientifically incorrect" http://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/efsajournal/doc/610.pdf (page 57).

I cite the study in question extensively in showing that the seal hunt is inherently inhumane because it identified many serious welfare problems even though the study was conducted on board sealing vessels when sealers knew they were being observed and why. For example, seals that were shot or clubbed, impaled on metal hooks, dragged onto vessels, and were still conscious on board the boats.

In fact, seals are hunted primarily for their fur in Canada. As the prices for seal fur have crashed in Canada in the face of global market closures, the numbers of sealers participating in the hunt has also declined. Kill levels have dropped from hundreds of thousands to tens of thousands of seals annually as a result. Unfortunately, the Newfoundland government continues to subsidize the killing so that skins can be stockpiled to meet a demand that may never exist http://www.hsi.org/world/canada/news/releases/2013/03/governmentsubsidysealingindustry032713.html. It is for that reason alone that the hunt continues today, in my opinion.

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  • merkmerk73
  • 32 Points
  • 19:36:11, 26 July

Rebecca - thanks for having the patience to put up with all of the misinformed idiots in your replies.

I've read through your responses and they are well-sourced, and you've shown a lot of resistance to being baited.

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  • snorlax-
  • 36 Points
  • 15:41:27, 26 July

You're telling me 98% of seals hunted are less than 3 months old? Holy bullshit, batman. Would love to see a source on that.

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  • Jaerdo
  • 32 Points
  • 15:50:24, 26 July

This thread is a cavalcade of misinformation mixed with blatant lies. She is campaigning not on a logical, objective, and scientific point of view but a moralistic, subjective, and emotional one. That is fine, but I disagree with misrepresenting facts to support it.

Source

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  • CWagner
  • 44 Points
  • 16:32:15, 26 July

How do I know that the dfo-gpc, who probably has an interest in seal harvesting, represents the facts properly? Don't get me wrong, thanks to people like PETA I'm skeptical of animal activists, but gov. orgs. are not exactly trustworthy either.

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  • KGredner
  • 40 Points
  • 16:39:55, 26 July

That guy is making a killing posting that link through this thread.

You are 100% correct, the whole point of this is that the Canadian government is the opponent in this argument. Obviously using their words is going to be biased as fuck.

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  • CWagner
  • 28 Points
  • 16:45:08, 26 July

Yeah, saw when reading further that he is just posting the same link everywhere. Doesn't exactly make it seem more trustworthy.

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  • crayonconfetti
  • 5 Points
  • 17:52:06, 26 July

maybe because the US govt also came to the same conclusion as there is a huge population of harp seals right now.

http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/mammals/pinnipeds/harpseal.htm

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  • CWagner
  • 3 Points
  • 19:33:07, 26 July

That's the kind of response I wanted, thanks. Will have a look when I'm home

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  • tlex26
  • 5 Points
  • 21:54:13, 26 July

The DFO is the one who controls the hunt, so yes, their information is completely biased.

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  • Lost7176
  • 63 Points
  • 17:18:05, 26 July

As a biologist who studies fur seals, I have heard the argument from others that the collapse of the fur industry has deprived certain species (such as the northern fur seal) of the enormous economic value and associated market interest that once protected the species as a natural resource. In the peak sealing years the northern fur seal was very closely studied and intensely managed to keep the population at sustainable levels.

Now that fur has little economic value there is no economic incentive to protect and sustain the population, which is currently declining with little and less funding to study why. The collapse of the fur industry has reduced these formerly valuable species to a profitless competitor of the fishing industry.

I am curious as to how short and long-term pragmatic sustainability factors into your strategy for seal protection and conservation, especially where the "humane" movement may find itself at odds with the economics of applied conservation and sustainable wildlife management.

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  • webtwit
  • 117 Points
  • 16:04:27, 26 July

Came here expecting train wreck and logic shit-storm... Leaving satisfied.

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  • Darkersun
  • 40 Points
  • 18:48:19, 26 July

Reddit came down HARD on this poor girl. Oh well.

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  • BonkersVonFeline
  • 13 Points
  • 20:12:51, 26 July

Holy smokes, no kidding. The last time I saw something like this was Woody Harrelson. I didn't expect this.

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  • Rainbow_unicorn_poo
  • 6 Points
  • 20:39:36, 26 July

Ya that one was harsh, I'd have to say worst I remember was the MarsOne guy trying to convince us that they're going to put average joe on mars in something like 13 years... Reddit was NOT convinced.

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  • thelastpuf
  • 12 Points
  • 21:38:10, 26 July

This is how the seal debate always goes in Canada.Someone says they are against the seal hunt and then people start bashing them for not releasing the econimic, social and envorimental problems that stoping the hunt will cause.Well that how it seems for the last 20 years.

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  • jeegte12
  • 6 Points
  • 19:58:56, 26 July

i'm pretty sure you can apply that to every thread on reddit. not too impressive a prediction

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  • KaliYugaz
  • 12 Points
  • 20:28:50, 26 July

Redditors are already terrible with moral reasoning. Combine it with an AMA relying largely on appeals to emotion and you get a shitstorm of downvotes, raging, and sometimes chillingly sociopathic nonsense (DAE humaneness does not compute?!?!).

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  • Mattsterman
  • 233 Points
  • 14:39:19, 26 July

Are seals endangered? I thought there was a plethora of seals and if so whats the big deal about harvesting some?

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  • Jaerdo
  • 273 Points
  • 15:54:39, 26 July

The seals are in no way endangered.

The hunt actually contributes to lowering overpopulation. Endangered seals are illegal to hunt, and there is tight oversight of this.

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  • yellowcushion
  • 36 Points
  • 16:59:59, 26 July

There is also growing evidence that the population of seals on the east coast has greatly contributed to the collapse of the cod fishery.

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  • MarkTwainsGhost
  • 54 Points
  • 18:19:55, 26 July

Pretty sure they were secondary to our huge fishing trawlers that scraped apart the cods' breeding grounds. Seals and cod lived a fucking long time on that coast without causing collapse.

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  • tophat_jones
  • 110 Points
  • 17:22:28, 26 July

Seals and their god damned fishing trawlers. They were in the North Atlantic for a million years biding their time until the 20th century, when the Sealkind spontaneously declared war on Atlantic Cod population.

True story.

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  • Antaganostic
  • 5 Points
  • 21:28:07, 26 July

Thank you.

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  • CuileannDhu
  • 5 Points
  • 21:20:00, 26 July

Gee the decades of overfishing and mismanagement had nothing to do do with the collapse of the cod stocks, it was all the seals all along.

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  • WhenIVoteIUPVote
  • 71 Points
  • 15:34:36, 26 July

In the 1960's I believe the population dropped just below 2 million which is when the canadian government stepped in. After that point we started to use quotas to regulate the amount and not to devastate the population.

Personally I am not opposed to the seal hunt. I understand where people come from when they see the cruelty and the goreish photos that are displayed. I think what is lost in everyone's "save the cute things of the world" battle is the other view. This is how fishermen make their living. They don't do it just because they hate baby seals but it has been a way of life for generations in these families. Watching how these families struggle more and more each day to get by hurts me more on a personal level then the seal hunt would.

I watched the show Whale Wars with the Sea Shepard for the longest time and was compelled by what they were doing! But after watching Viking Shores and them trying to stop the hunt In the Faroe Islands I had second thoughts about their actions. Seeing the other side of the knife it showed what they were doing to these families and a life style that they had for generations.

I'm not saying you should stop what you're trying to accomplish Rebecca and its excellent and I support your passion for the seals. But after the seals are saved and everyone goes home just remember people need something else to keep their families feed.

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  • Ihmhi
  • 41 Points
  • 16:08:16, 26 July

We had similar shit in New Jersey where people whined about the bear hunt (population control) one year and managed to get it cancelled. Simultaneously, people were complaining about bears being in their backyards in the suburbs.

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  • BatteredSaintThrow
  • 19 Points
  • 16:38:36, 26 July

Sort of akin to when some rich gated community assholes put tons of speed bumps on their roads so that traffic has to go 3mph past their little precious houses

and then they complain that 911 takes four times as long to get there.

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  • PatrickBateman1
  • 189 Points
  • 15:14:55, 26 July

Are you opposed to all type of animals being killed for human use?

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  • Pancake_High
  • 141 Points
  • 16:25:34, 26 July

She already posted about the environment the hunt takes place in that makes it inherently inhumane.

As a hunter I agree. Most of the hunt is done with rifles but that means they're shooting from a moving boat, trying to hit a moving seal on a moving ice flow. Often seals are wounded and flee to the water to die a slow death never to be recovered.

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  • Dimeron
  • 29 Points
  • 17:05:12, 26 July

So if the argument against seal hunting is that it is inhumane, why not push for more humane method of hunting? As far as I know seals are not endangered, and seal hunting is not nearly as damaging as fishing in terms of ecological damage. In fact it might even help keeping seal population in check.

And unlike sports hunting where animals are killed for entertainment, the hunted seal are actually being utilized, and provide livelihood to many hunters and useful products to many people.

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  • CrackMo0se
  • 3 Points
  • 21:51:49, 26 July

I'd like to just point one thing, recreational hunting is done for much the same reason. It is not only a good source of outdoor entertainment like you said but also a conservational necessity. Hunters are assigned tags for a certain type of animal, and whether make or female, by lottery. These tags are limited in number and are based on the population around the hunting season. So if done right, a healthy number is taken out if the population for the benefit of the ecosystem and the hunters. But if you kill without a tag it's called poaching, and that's bad mmm'kay.

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  • humanefly
  • 17 Points
  • 17:47:53, 26 July

The hunters used to use hakapiks. If I understand correctly. This forced the hunter to get up close to the seal and make a clean kill. Rebecca and her ilk put pressure, the hunters changed to rifles. Shooting from a moving boat means more seals are wounded but escape on the ice, less clean kills. Now they are crying that the hunt is still inhumane.

It begs the question: would it be possible for any hunt to be humane, according to these activists?

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  • TreeWith
  • 24 Points
  • 16:45:13, 26 July

My real question is why they're doing it. Hog hunting in many areas is ostensibly an exercise in cruelty, as you can find videos easily of people flying by in helicopters and shooting down every hog they can. Doesn't tend to have shots quick and clean like you generally do when hunting. But this is because they aren't hunting, they're exterminating. The hogs are invasive and cause lots of damage, so they're just trying to kill them all.

So are they being cruel, or are they culling or something?

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  • ladyfaces
  • 83 Points
  • 16:52:59, 26 July

There's a lot of information available about the seal hunt here: http://inuitsealing.org/

The main points of people who are pro-seal hunting are:

  • The hunting of seals is a key part of Inuit culture, nutrition, food security and economy of Inuit in Nunavut’s remote coastal communities.
  • In Nunavut, seals are hunted first and foremost as a source of food. The pelts and other parts of the seal are used locally for clothing, arts and crafts, and remaining pelts are byproducts placed on the international market to provide valuable income for hunters and their families in communities with limited economic opportunities.
  • Five seal species are hunted in Nunavut, with ringed seals being the preferred food species and comprising the majority of the harvest.
  • Harp seals are also harvested by Inuit, and with a population that now exceeds 9 million animals, this species is becoming increasingly prevalent in Nunavut waters.

EDIT: I commented with this below, but here it is again: the restrictions /u/rebeccaaldworth is talking about have direct implications for the Inuit seal hunt, even if she is excluding them from her argument.

All of the seal hunt restrictions that are being advocated internationally, like the EU seal products ban, still have major impact on the Inuit seal hunt even with the exceptions that are made for Inuit/Aboriginal hunts.

Here are some of the major issues for Inuit with the EU ban (emphasis my own):

  • One major reason for the ineffectiveness of the Inuit exemption is the fact that the EU ban and the publicity around it destroyed the market for all sealskins in the EU, regardless of origin, as seal products of Inuit origin are indistinguishable from those of other origins to the average consumer.
  • Another major flaw of the Inuit exemption is that while a European manufacturer may be allowed to purchase and import Inuit-harvested sealskins, it is illegal for those sealskins to be manufactured into new products within the EU for placement on the market. This effectively eliminates the EU as a market for the primary Inuit seal product- the cleaned and dried raw sealskin.
  • The EU whitecoat seal ban in 1983 contained a similar exemption for Inuit products, which was equally ineffective. That the EU chose to ignore this fact, which was raised repeatedly by Inuit organizations prior to the adoption of the 2009 ban, only reinforces the conclusion by Inuit and fur industry experts that the Inuit exemption was never intended to function, but merely put in place to make the ban more appealing to the European public.

And, a publication from the Government of Nunavut that outlines how trade restrictions are negatively impacting the economy: http://env.gov.nu.ca/sites/default/files/impactssealban_web.pdf

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  • mynameisalso
  • 173 Points
  • 16:00:57, 26 July

No, just the cute ones.

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  • alphonsojacobs
  • 83 Points
  • 16:42:10, 26 July

There is nothing in this entire thread about her saying cute animals are more important than non-cute ones, yet every hater in this thread brings it up. As she mentioned, "...the reason why we talk about baby seals is because 98% of the seals killed in Canada are pups less than three months of age http://www.hsi.org/world/canada/work/protectseals/research/sealpupskilledyoung.html."

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  • peterrabbit8
  • 22 Points
  • 18:54:32, 26 July

Question: I'm a bit curious why the three months part is seen as important. I'm not saying it's not important, but wouldn't the total life span relative to the age at which these seals are clubbed be pertinent?

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  • ACC0007
  • 4 Points
  • 23:55:08, 26 July

The point isn't that being younger/cuter/fluffier/etc makes an animal any more important than another, except if you are using that animal to raise awareness for an agenda. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that a picture of a cute, fluffy animal that -almost- looks like it could be someone's adorable pet is going to get more sympathy (i.e., more support) than less-cute alternatives.

You see this whenever an HSUS ad comes on your TV. They're full of cute, agonizingly sad-looking shelter animals. Maybe once or twice they might flash a few seconds from a livestock operation (which may also be misleading, but that's another story), but undoubtedly most of the time is spent on images that will generate the most sympathy, especially from people who have little or no previous knowledge of the issue.

Why is this bad? For one, because it is usually used dishonestly. You do not have to present research, facts, alternate opinions, or contextual information such as possible negative outcomes in the long run (e.g., how inuit communities will be affected if the market for seal products is destroyed, even if they are still legally allowed to hunt seals) to compel someone to support your cause. All that is necessary is to successfully appeal to emotion. Unfortunately, small rural communities that depend on this way of life stand little chance against the vast resources and influence of goliath organizations with an agenda to push.

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  • Alysaria
  • 2 Points
  • 20:07:42, 26 July

There aren't very many animals that aren't cute on the critically endangered list

I've made myself sad looking through that list. Why would anyone want to kill a vaquita? They look so happy and they're so little. :( There are very few of them left, and the only pictures you can find of the actual creature are dead (or barely visible in the water).

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  • iamChrisDornerAMAA
  • 150 Points
  • 15:07:24, 26 July

Not sure if I'm misinformed, but I heard seal hunting is beneficial in many ways. The main reason for seal hunting is to control the population of seal, because they threaten some species of fish. Meanwhile, it generates revenue and create jobs in the northern region. I understand massive seal hunting is unethical and can be problematic, but it is justifiable (assuming that those information are true).

What do you think about it? And can you confirm those information or they are just some excuses made up by the government?

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  • heytheredelilahTOR
  • 139 Points
  • 15:51:50, 26 July

The Newfoundland and Labrador fisheries are all but dead. The seals aren't to blame for this (obviously, because it's from over-fishing). But as we're trying to rebuild the fish stocks, we need to mitigate their losses by culling the seal population. When it's too many wolves, we call it a cull. When it's too many deer, we call it a cull. But when it's too many seals? Suddenly it's an out and out slaughter.

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  • AaronInTheForest
  • 23 Points
  • 19:12:54, 26 July

> When it's too many wolves, we call it a cull. When it's too many deer, we call it a cull. But when it's too many seals? Suddenly it's an out and out slaughter.

This is absolutely true. Wildlife management often means controlling out-of-control populations. That means blood, and killing, and all the ugly things that happen far away from public view. The fact is that killing the babies allows the healthy adult seals to survive the cull while maintaining balanced populations.

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  • PigeonDrivingBus
  • 39 Points
  • 15:31:54, 26 July

You're not misinformed. Too many seals means that there are less fish for fishermen which in turn means: you destroy the sealers, you'll damage or destroy fishing.

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  • BatteredSaintThrow
  • 20 Points
  • 16:39:57, 26 July

Fishing in Canada's been practically mothballed ever since the Asians showed up just outside international water borders with their giant fish vacuums

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  • Funkis
  • 7 Points
  • 18:11:43, 26 July

Outside?

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  • troublmaker
  • 3 Points
  • 22:45:12, 26 July

They're doing it in Africa now too. They drop nets that are about 500 meters deep from 2-3 large ships and they drag them picking up every fish they catch. They do this outside of ocean borders of countries meaning any fish that wants to lay its eggs, or is young will also get captured by these ships.

A couple of Spanish ships were actually captured by the Canadian navy doing this outside of Newfoundland's waters.

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  • Lightbulb9
  • 32 Points
  • 16:09:00, 26 July

I think the real solution though is to decrease the amount of fish being taken from our oceans. Overfishing by humans, who are able to industrially fish, does far more damage than seals ever could.

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  • Wyliekat
  • 20 Points
  • 15:42:11, 26 July

Not to mention that a lot of the animals are consumed, and help feed families.

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  • HgcRTR
  • 13 Points
  • 15:57:56, 26 July

> I understand massive seal hunting is unethical and can be problematic

Eh.. It's about as unethical as deer hunting..

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  • rebeccaaldworth
  • 39 Points
  • 16:03:36, 26 July

In fact, the Canadian government states:

"The commercial seal quota is established based on sound conservation principles, not an attempt to assist in the recovery of groundfish stocks.

Seals eat cod, but seals also eat other fish that prey on cod. There are several factors contributing to the lack of recovery of Atlantic cod stocks such as fishing effort, the poor physical condition of the fish, poor growth, unfavourable ocean conditions and low stock productivity at current levels.

It is widely accepted in the scientific community that there are many uncertainties in the estimates of the amount of fish consumed by seals. Seals and cod exist in a complex ecosystem, which mitigates against easy analysis or simple solutions to problems such as the lack of recovery of cod stocks."

http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/seal-phoque/reports-rapports/facts-faits/facts-faits2004-eng.htm#re8

Canada's commercial seal slaughter occurs on Canada's east coast, and is conducted by commercial fishermen who earn less than 5%, on average, of their annual incomes from killing seals. There, the seal hunt is considered a fishery, and fishermen kill the seals for a few days between other fishing seasons.

It is the Inuit subsistence hunt that occurs in the north, and animal protection groups are not opposing it.

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  • Wyliekat
  • 29 Points
  • 18:29:37, 26 July

How can you avoid acknowledging that it's subsistence for some folks in the Maritimes too?

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  • kochevnikov
  • 1 Points
  • 23:19:27, 26 July

So is working at McDonalds. Should we make that into a national cause subsidized by the government?

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  • CrazyLeprechaun
  • 18 Points
  • 19:39:07, 26 July

For someone who is in the lower class, perhaps only barely able to support his family, 5% of their income is not something that can be thrown away at the whim of the animal rights movement.

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  • masterofmargaritas
  • 69 Points
  • 15:16:48, 26 July

Two questions. First, how do you respond to arguments that culling the harp seals is necessary in some form or another because of rampant overpopulation the the resulting threat to the cod stocks?

Second, why oppose sealing as opposed to factory farming? I've worked in a factory farm and christ, the misery I've seen in animals. Surely hunting animals in the wild is more humane.

Demand we stop eating all meat before we stop hunting seals. Especially when we think about who makes money off of each thing, right. Sealing is not a multi-million dollar business like factory farming. These are communities who've lived off of this for hundreds of years.

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  • Lightbulb9
  • 45 Points
  • 16:14:53, 26 July

> Second, why oppose sealing as opposed to factory farming? I've worked in a factory farm and christ, the misery I've seen in animals. Surely hunting animals in the wild is more humane.

Why not oppose both? the Humane Society list farm animals prominently under the Issues section of their website.

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  • Brandon_Storm
  • 55 Points
  • 16:14:46, 26 July

If I may, I can answer your first question by telling you that the only reason you hear "seals are a threat to cod" so much, is because seals are the most profitable animal to kill that eat cod. If there was something else under threat of public opinion that made more money, that's the one you'd hear campaigns about telling you it's doing the most damage to cod stock.

A very simplified example of what affects cod numbers.

Your second point, why not both? No one says we only have the capacity to fight one thing at a time. That's like saying "Let's abolish rape before we start worrying about murder", we can do it all at once. Or alternatively, 'let's not explore space until we're done exploring earth'. Different people have different passions and doing ANYTHING for ANYTHING is good. That's what we need more of, people doing something.

Now, I'm from Nova Scotia and I've met my fair share of sealers (even had some in my family) and I can tell you with 100% certainty that this whole "this is how fisherman make their livelihoods!" is completely false in most every case. It's a job for a couple months, that's it. Sure it pays well, but there's almost a full year of work elsewhere that provides your income, not this winter lot. I know that has nothing to do with what you asked, but this will be my only post here, so I thought I'd address it anyway. And while I'm on that note, figure I should address those of you saying it's alright to kill something as long as it's not endangered; What if I told you that each life has inherent value beyond what you can use it for? Exercising empathy beyond your own species would do you a wealth of good.

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  • Owenww
  • 5 Points
  • 16:49:03, 26 July

And right about that time people, a fur trapper, (who was strictly from commercial)

WHAP!

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  • Coldfusion21
  • 5 Points
  • 18:07:05, 26 July

What are your feelings on direct action groups like Earth First and Sea Shepherd?

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  • grimm22
  • 5 Points
  • 19:00:11, 26 July

Rebecca, is the humane society invested in doing anything about combating the use of intelligent animals as sideshow attractions, especially the use of Dolphins and Killer Whales at Seaworld.

It has become further evident that such conditions are mentally and psychologically harmful to such animals.

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  • roundedge
  • 75 Points
  • 15:16:29, 26 July

Is there any reason why killing baby seals is worse than killing adult seals?

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  • Aerosta
  • 42 Points
  • 15:50:30, 26 July

Baby seals are adorable. Adult seals are violent and terrifying. Younger seal fur is much more pliable and useful as far as furs go. Older fur is often scarred and tougher.

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  • helix19
  • 8 Points
  • 21:01:17, 26 July

The baby seals are primarily the ones being hunted. The campaign doesn't focus on them because they're cuter, but because only a tiny percentage of the seals killed are adults.

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  • Plenitude
  • 63 Points
  • 17:01:48, 26 July

God this whole AMA is cringeworthy. Stop downvoting her if you don't agree with her. Just don't do anything at all. Us Alienblue users won't be able to read her responses if she's downvoted to oblivion.

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  • eetsumkaus
  • 14 Points
  • 19:17:52, 26 July

I think most of her posts that get downvoted are the ones with either inaccurate information or misleading commentary. That being said though, yes, people start automatically thinking anything from her is false.

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  • lindsifer
  • 34 Points
  • 15:50:58, 26 July

You keep mentioning that the seals are "three months old". Why does this factor in?

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  • Emackay
  • 10 Points
  • 16:26:55, 26 July

I'm not an expert on the subject and perhaps someone more knowledgeable can answer this question. It could possibly factor in because younger seals are not yet mating, preventing the population from sustaining itself.

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  • Mirnhir
  • 8 Points
  • 17:32:58, 26 July

I don't think that is the reason, even with the culling the seal populations are fully sustainable.

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  • Vego_nono
  • 2 Points
  • 22:22:56, 26 July

Younger seals have softer fur and are therefore more attractive in trade

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  • runnerdood
  • 36 Points
  • 16:11:32, 26 July

Jesus, everyone is downvoting OP's comments. This is why IAmA exists - to read the OP's comments!

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  • f-dawwg
  • 33 Points
  • 16:09:32, 26 July

I think Gob's words of wisdom are in proper reference to the state of this AMA

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  • TheBassWizard
  • 5 Points
  • 19:22:03, 26 July

In a series littered with seal jokes, you choose a joke totally unrelated to seals to use in a thread about seals.

Good on you, f-dawwg.

Good on all of us.

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  • cattastic
  • 12 Points
  • 16:19:20, 26 July

Hi Rebecca,

I have a more general series of questions I was hoping you could answer. Being the executive director for a larger nonprofit, may I ask how you got into nonprofit work/how you moved over to the management and administrative side of things?

I would like to get into nonprofit work and am thinking about getting a MAster's in Public Administration. These days, what kinds of qualities make strong candidates looking to get into the "behind the scenes", project management jobs that are just above entry level?

Thank you so much for doing this awesome AMA!

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  • neonlavamonster
  • 9 Points
  • 15:12:28, 26 July

In your line of studies what is the most fascinating fact you have learned? It can be directly related to your work or just something you may have learned about yourself?

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  • roflrocket
  • 9 Points
  • 22:49:14, 26 July

As a Canadian I completely and totally disagree with you. But I also respect you for fighting for something you believe in. Still, I think your wrong.

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  • vdinets
  • 4 Points
  • 18:10:40, 26 July

Let's not forget that if harp seal hunt at rookeries was banned, the EU would lift its restrictions and the Inuit would greatly benefit.

I made a trip to the rookery sites a few years ago. It is the most stunning natural experience one could possibly have anywhere in North America. But I remember that there were just 5 (five) other tourists there in the three days I spent there. If hunting was banned and the buyout money was invested in promoting tourism, the former sealing communities would flourish. All tour guides were former sealers, by the way.

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  • TheRagingLlama
  • 4 Points
  • 18:11:47, 26 July

Have you ever considered funding a documentary like The Cove regarding this issue?

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  • bassface1234
  • 3 Points
  • 19:28:28, 26 July

My question is who actually buys seal coats? Never seen one in person before let alone know of anyone that would buy one. Ban the sale of all furs, shouldn't that put a stop to it? If no one buys the coats from the poachers why continue with this brutal practice?

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  • 8rg6a2o
  • 3 Points
  • 19:33:13, 26 July

Thank you for everything you are doing

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  • greenerT
  • 4 Points
  • 20:32:02, 26 July

Not sure if I can't see OP's answers because they're being downvoted... or if she's just not answering questions...

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  • Taruh
  • 3 Points
  • 21:10:18, 26 July

Thank you.

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  • Mr_Weebles
  • 4 Points
  • 00:58:01, 27 July

I'll preface this post by saying I am a lifelong hunter (deer mostly, not seals) but your claim of the seals suffering when they are killed is kind of obvious, no? When you kill an animal, it suffers.

All ethical hunters try to make the kill as quick and painless as possible for the animal they are harvesting but it doesn't always happen. Out of the 50 or so deer I've killed in my lifetime there were a couple of times where the animal didn't die immediately and they suffered. But that's how life and death works.

Also, hunting quotas are set by government agencies based on scientific methods used to determine the best way to manage the population. You claimed:

>The harp seal population has not been on an increase in recent decades, it has been in a recovery from an all-time low in the 1970s

That makes no sense. If it is any higher than the all-time low, it is in fact a recovery. Also, the same thing could be said of the deer and turkey populations here in New England but no one claims it's a false recovery just because they were decimated at an earlier point in time.

I'm sorry, but I have to agree with a lot of the other Redditors. If seals weren't cute, you wouldn't give a shit.

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  • Linnaeusc
  • 12 Points
  • 16:38:41, 26 July

My questions: Why do you feel it is wrong when all of the population surveys indicate not only fully sustainable but having the potential to increase beyond manageable sizes? Trends indicate exponential growth and record breaking populations for seals on the east coast particularity the Sable Island population.

Do you consider at all the severe environmental and socioeconomic impacts that a full ban on seal harvesting could have or do you focus your campaign solely on the fact that you are against the methods of harvesting?

My rant to represent all of us people working with conservation day to day:

Conservation is a delicate thing. Banning hunting because you are concerned for the poor seal's feelings is selfish and unrealistic when there are absolutely no problems concerning their sustainability and success as a species.

Campaigns such as this tend to result in poor understanding of proper conservation techniques by the general public, making it incredibly difficult for people know about the truth. Whereas your campaign is focused on whistle blowing and media attention, most legitimate conservation organizations need to spend so much on actually producing legitimate research that our tiny voice gets drowned out by yours.

Being against the methods of harvesting is one thing, if that is your concern that should be your focus. Not a full on ban. Focus on getting the laws on humane harvesting changed not banning products that earn good hard working people an income and support families.

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  • NinjaDiscoJesus
  • 31 Points
  • 13:32:33, 26 July

Why?

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  • doodies
  • 25 Points
  • 15:26:48, 26 July

The Canadian Government keeps track of animal populations and issues hunting tags to prevent overpopulation which could lead to environmental damage down the road. Eg. An explosion in the seal population could endanger certain species of fish which other species of animals may also need to survive.

What should be protested is not the fact that baby seals are being hunted, but instead, how they're being hunted.

It's incorrect and downright manipulative to claim that they're only being killed for their fur.

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  • recoil669
  • 92 Points
  • 15:20:40, 26 July

Why is it ok to hunt turkey or deer, but not seals. Only in North America does cuteness take you off the menu. If your issue is the violence, can we not continue to hunt seals with some changes in how hunters operate?

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  • alphonsojacobs
  • 72 Points
  • 15:46:26, 26 July

So people are going to ask her questions and then downvote her responses so they can't be seen? Now I've seen everything on Reddit.

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  • zodrune
  • 13 Points
  • 19:06:50, 26 July

Reddit hates animal rights groups, vegans, vegetarians, etc.

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  • Fiech
  • 37 Points
  • 16:15:48, 26 July

The problem in this AMA is that it's a somewhat controversial topic that only affects a small group of people. You see that this AMA is 2h old with only 200 comments. So it's fair to assume that most of the commenters are either people who oppose seal hunting for "moral" reasons ("but they look cute") or defend this because they're directly affected by (if not benefit from) seal hunting (like Newfies, etc.).

Thus you'll get a very opinionated voting behaviour with the one side upvoting everything she said, and the other side downvoting it.

I for one don't oppose seal hunting, because as someone who enjoys veal or lamb I see no reason to exclude young seals for moral reasons alone, but on the other hand find it silly to defend it with the whole "it's a tradition"-thing, as for me "tradition" most of the time is another word for saying "I'm too lazy/afraid to question/evaluate my behaviour from time to time".

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  • tophat_jones
  • 6 Points
  • 17:30:17, 26 July

I'm not opposed to seal hunting at all, but I find the arguments in support of it here to be ludicrous to the point of feeling sorry for its defenders.

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  • newloaf
  • 9 Points
  • 17:08:27, 26 July

I think going after the markets and destroying demand for the products of the hunt must be the most effective strategy. You can't argue with people who have an economic interest in seal hunting. They'll continue what they're doing until extinction, just like the logging industry and the oil industry in Alberta.

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  • mobilekid
  • 32 Points
  • 15:20:19, 26 July

This is a sincere question. What's the difference between harvesting seal skin as opposed to cow skin? Why is the seal worthy of being banned but other animals aren't?

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  • littlelakes
  • 9 Points
  • 23:10:53, 26 July

So as an Inuk (an Inuit person) your opinion is that I'm allowed to hunt and eat seal as long as I don't use it to make a living off of it and provide for my family. Crafts people would not be allowed to make seal skin products to sell. Not only does this goes against the Marshal Decisions that ruled aboriginal people have the right to make a modest living off of our catches, but it is patronizing and completely ethnocentric. Keep your southern values to yourselves and leave us alone.

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  • DaFooFoo
  • 4 Points
  • 23:18:06, 26 July

HERE HERE!!

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  • rebeccaaldworth
  • 0 Points
  • 00:56:55, 27 July

That is entirely untrue. Products of traditional Inuit seal hunts are exempted from international trade bans, as long as they are certified (to prove they are Inuit in origin). Local and even international trade would continue.

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  • Shadowhost
  • 28 Points
  • 21:03:19, 26 July

Myth: The harvest is unsustainable and is endangering the harp seal population.

Reality: The Northwest Atlantic harp seal population is healthy and abundant with an estimated population of 7.3 million animals, over three times what it was in the 1970s. The grey herd seal population is currently estimated to be about 350,000 animals.

DFO sets quotas at levels that ensure the health and abundance of seal herds, and considers many factors, such as ice conditions, incidental harvest or bycatch, the Greenland and Arctic hunts and commercial harvest levels as well as potential quota over-runs when making its decision. The population is at the highest level seen in over 30 years and is in no way an “endangered species.”

Myth: The seal harvest provides such low economic return for sealers that it is not an economically viable industry.

Reality: The current harp seal harvest is conducted as an economically sustainable activity. It can make an important contribution to the annual income of people living in rural coastal communities where other economic opportunities are limited, which may reduce outmigration to large urban centres. The loss of economic opportunities would have an important impact on people in these small communities.

The seal harvest provides direct employment for over six thousand people per year on a part-time basis. Some sealers have stated that their income from sealing can represent a significant amount of their total annual income.

There are also many secondary economic benefits derived from the seal industry. Seals have been harvested for food, fuel, clothing and other products for hundreds of years. Seal products consist of leather, oil, handicrafts, and meat for human and animal consumption as well as seal oil capsules rich in Omega-3. New product development such as for specialized seal food products and research into the use of harp seal heart valves in human heart surgery is ongoing.

Myth: The seal harvest is loosely monitored and DFO doesn’t punish illegal hunting activity or practices.

Reality: Fishery officers conduct surveillance of sealers and sealing activities using aerial surveillance; vessel monitoring systems (satellite tracking); at-sea patrols and inspections; dockside/landing site patrols and inspections; and inspections at buyer/processor sites/facilities. The use of different tools and surveillance methods is necessary for a well-balanced enforcement program. The Canadian Coast Guard provides ship and helicopter support, and monitoring and enforcement are augmented as needed by the RCMP and the Quebec provincial police.

Infractions are taken seriously and sealers who fail to comply with Canada’s Marine Mammal Regulations are penalized. The consequences of illegal actions could include court-imposed fines, licence prohibitions and the forfeiting of catches, fishing gear, vessels and vehicles.

Myth: The Canadian government allows sealers to harvest seal pups.

Reality: The harvesting of harp seal pups (whitecoats) and hooded seal pups (bluebacks) is illegal in Canada and has been since 1987. The seals that are harvested are self-reliant, independent animals.

Myth: There is no relationship between the seal population and the abundance of cod stocks.

Reality: There is ongoing debate about the possible negative impacts of grey seal predation on fish populations, particularly Atlantic cod. Over the last 30 years, the grey seal population off the coast of Atlantic Canada has grown rapidly - from 30,000 in the 1970s to about 350,000 today.

Scientific research suggests that grey seal predation could account for much of the high natural mortality of cod in the southern Gulf of St Lawrence. At current rates of natural mortality, stock growth is not likely unless productivity increases well above levels observed in the past decade.

A Zonal Advisory Process (ZAP) on the impacts of grey seals on fish populations in eastern Canada concluded October 8, 2010. Science advice from the ZAP will inform DFO on the extent to which management decisions regarding grey seal population control are likely to achieve measurable increases in cod productivity and biomass. Myth: Seals are being skinned alive.

Reality: Seals are not skinned alive. Independent international veterinarians and European Food Safety Authority (EFSA) experts concluded that the suggestions by anti-sealing groups that many seals are skinned alive are not true.

Sometimes a seal may appear to be moving after it has been killed; however seals show muscle activity (referred to as a ‘swimming reflex’) even after death. This reflex gives the false impression that the animal is still alive– similar to the reflex in chickens.

Changes to the Marine Mammal Regulations (MMR) in 2009 further enhance the humaneness of the annual seal harvest. These changes include the three-step process (stunning, checking, and bleeding the seals); and require sealers to first verify death, then bleed the animal for a minimum of one minute prior to skinning.

Myth: The club – or hakapik – is an inhumane tool that has no place in today’s world.

Reality: Veterinarians have found that the hakapik, when properly used, is at least as humane as, and often more humane than, the killing methods used in commercial slaughterhouses, which are accepted by the majority of the public.

Seals may only be harvested using efficient tools designed to kill the animal quickly such as high-powered rifles, shotguns firing slugs, clubs and hakapiks. All these methods are considered by experts to be humane.

Myth: Canadian harvesting practices are worse and more inhumane compared to other countries.

Reality: Canadian harvesting practices are among the best in the world. They are guided by rigorous animal welfare principles that are internationally recognized by virtually all independent observers. The Government of Canada monitors the seal harvest closely and it is committed to enforcing the regulations to the fullest extent of the law. According to Fisheries and Oceans observers, 98.5% of seals harvested in 2009 were harvested in compliance with the Marine Mammal Regulations, an indication of the high level of professionalism and the commitment to humaneness of Canadian sealers.

edit : source : http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/seal-phoque/myth-eng.htm

second edit: can you respond this time instead of deleting my comments.

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  • terraformedcylinder
  • 3 Points
  • 00:51:34, 27 July

This needs to be the top comment in this thread. Thank you for bringing these myths to light for what they really are.

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  • gzell_
  • 2 Points
  • 01:50:02, 27 July

thank you! if she was really from an outport community, she would have seen first hand the destruction of THOUSANDS of families livelyhood that cunts like her caused. not only is the seal hunt NOT targeted at pups EVER, but the act of shutting down this form of fishery OBLITERATED the fishery of cod and salmon do to the overpopulation of seals

why is this happeneing? why are cunts like this person allowed to breath? cause paul mcartneys dumb girlfriend ranted about it on the radio, thinking she was in newfoundland when in fact she was in nova scotia

great job activists

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  • ladylyss
  • 15 Points
  • 17:43:47, 26 July

I just wanted to say I'm really happy for you that you're pursuing something that you feel so strongly and passionate about. I think as humans we need to do that, to find our purpose. And you have yours. So high five!

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  • SillyRabbitIWin
  • 11 Points
  • 16:54:11, 26 July

I've always wanted to work with the humane society as a career. What's the best way to get started?

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  • kkrusky
  • 2 Points
  • 19:30:32, 26 July

Start off volunteering at a local shelter

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  • partialinsanity
  • 8 Points
  • 18:14:00, 26 July

What a bizarre thread. It's filled with people asking questions and downvoting the answers.

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  • Blitzak
  • 21 Points
  • 15:53:25, 26 July

Its my understanding that there are many people who make a living hunting seals, and in that remote location there are few other jobs available. Do you think these people should abandon their homes and lives?

Combine that with the fact that hunting any other animal is not a sterile, humane experience and I have to question your real motives for wanting to only protect seals. Is the catching of whales not a much more serious problem due to over hunting?

-A Canadian in support of the seal hunt

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  • helix19
  • 3 Points
  • 21:14:55, 26 July

She wants to invest money in building a tourist economy, much like how whaling communities were turned into whale watching hotspots.

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  • [deleted]
  • 3 Points
  • 13:37:01, 26 July

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  • NinjaDiscoJesus
  • 9 Points
  • 13:37:50, 26 July

Hi! Just leave you know - best to hit reply under the questions, so that the answers come under them!

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  • Grognor
  • 3 Points
  • 18:50:39, 26 July

How do you view potential offshore oil development in Canada, and do any such project endanger the seals?

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  • critically_damped
  • 3 Points
  • 21:19:50, 26 July

To all the people bitching about OP not answering their questions: Ctrl-F your question to make sure she hasn't already answered it. In every single case I've seen, she did.

If you don't have the decency to read the responses she's already posted, then fuck off with your complaining that she's ignoring you.

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  • dayofthedead204
  • 23 Points
  • 15:55:43, 26 July

I'm going in a different direction on this issue. Rebecca - the fact remains that sealing is a regulated industry in Canada and despite that young seals are killed I'd say it's no more unethical than say chicken eggs or Veal being consumed by people. I'd say that it's better that you focus and the Humane Society gets behind an issue that over 90% of people support.

Orcas and Dolphins can still be killed by human involvement - say by boating accidents or the drive hunting in other countries. Why can't you get behind that issue instead of seal hunting - which has many people divided on the issue? Maybe raise money to free whales and dolphins in dolphinarium shows (still relevant in Canada - see Vancouver Aquarium / Marineland).

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  • Davebo
  • 4 Points
  • 19:12:14, 26 July

Why not do both? Your argument basically takes the form of since there is still rape in the world, we shouldn't bother trying to stop murder.

By all means, if there are other causes that are more important to you support those over this one, but criticizing her just because she values this one the most is not fair.

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  • alphonsojacobs
  • 8 Points
  • 18:53:56, 26 July

This train of thought has derailed this entire AMA, and it's a shame. The HSI / HSUS do work to help whales, dogs, cats, factory farms and a host of other animal issues. The mere fact she helps seals does not mean that she or the Humane Society doesn't care about other animals nor does it imply they aren't working to help them.

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  • ErikThe_Red
  • 14 Points
  • 14:34:06, 26 July

Please excuse my naivety, I don't know all the factors in play.

Question:

  1. Is the seal harvesting mostly performed by aboriginal communities?

  2. Don't these communities survive on exporting seal? I can't imagine they have other natural resources.

  3. Is there waste? i.e. useless slaughter/over-hunting and the number of seals are declining.

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  • Jaerdo
  • 14 Points
  • 16:03:28, 26 July

Just in case you are interested, here is a government source with actual facts. Her replies are almost complete misinformation.

Source

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  • kittenbomber
  • 18 Points
  • 16:19:50, 26 July

Enough with this straw man 'seals are cute' crap. She hasn't said that once in all her answers, and the people who keep saying it are lowering the quality of the discussion. Respond to actual things Rebecca is saying or ask sincere questions, but don't sit there arguing against a position she doesn't claim to hold.

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  • koalakoalakoala47
  • 9 Points
  • 16:18:01, 26 July

Just wanted to let you know, I really appreciate your efforts. Thanks for doing this AMA.

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  • datbino
  • 29 Points
  • 15:14:42, 26 July

are they actually endangered? and are you coming after fishermen and hunters next?

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  • Jaerdo
  • 43 Points
  • 15:46:17, 26 July

No, they aren't endangered. That is a bald-faced lie. The seal population is very healthy and actually more than three times the size it was 40 years ago.

Source

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  • Davebo
  • 7 Points
  • 19:00:02, 26 July

She never said they were endangered, so it's not a lie. Also posting the same obviously biased link all over this post isn't helping anything.

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  • heytheredelilahTOR
  • 18 Points
  • 15:53:22, 26 July

They're not endangered in the least. The quotas are set each season based on estimated populations. In fact, there is a strong argument that the cull - it's not a slaughter, it's a cull - is necessary as the seals eat a great deal of fish, and we need to rebuild the Newf. and Lab. fisheries.

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  • coopkristen
  • 6 Points
  • 16:31:53, 26 July

What's the biggest challenge your campaign has faced or is facing?

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  • PoliticalCry
  • 2 Points
  • 23:25:34, 26 July

This thread. ;)

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  • WolfSpartan1
  • 6 Points
  • 17:27:16, 26 July

Why not kill adult seals? They have more fur. Also, how much meat can you get off a freshly killed seal? Just wondering.

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  • bipokharel
  • 5 Points
  • 17:31:45, 26 July

What is the most disturbing thing you have come across in your mission?

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  • Basoran
  • 5 Points
  • 17:51:36, 26 July

I admire you.
I could not document those actions without going to jail for a very long time.

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  • TheEsquire
  • 5 Points
  • 18:52:19, 26 July

I was about to say (without reading the full post) that if you've never spent any time in Newfoundland, you really shouldn't have a say in the matter like so many people blindly do. That said, you being from a seal-hunting family carries a lot more weight on the topic than 99.9% of the people I usually hear opposition from (Paul McCartney comes to mind), so as a Newfie myself I'm a lot more inclined to listen to you since you probably know firsthand what it's like.

I was always told that the seal hunt was to cull the over population of seals and to help keep the fishing stocks high. Also, if anything, seal populations have constantly been on the rise, even with the hunts.

Along with the rapid drop in the price of seal goods thanks to the EU banning all seal imports, I can't see this as being a profitable industry anymore, and further removes the doubts in my head that it's for any other reason. If your group wants to raise the limits on the age of seal able to be hunted, I'm okay with that... as long as the cull is still able to perform it's primary focus of keeping the population in check.

Are you looking to completely ban the practice of seal hunting for fishermen that aren't "aboriginal", or just try and raise the age cap?

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  • aur0ra145
  • 14 Points
  • 15:04:51, 26 July

Do you believe that any amount of hunting/killing/clubbing of seals is necessary to maintain the ecosystem? How do you purpose to replace the economic structure of town/communities based around sealing if your agenda is completely carried out?

Do you own an ulu knife?

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  • kochevnikov
  • 3 Points
  • 23:15:24, 26 July

Commercial seal hunting used to be illegal in Canada. It was invented as a practice when the Canadian government brutally mismanaged the cod fishery and had to make cod fishing illegal as a result (in the late 90s). So they said here kill these animals instead, and became heavily invested in promoting this as an alternative to fishing in order to try to make it look like they didn't just completely fuck over Atlantic Canada. It's a propaganda move, how dumb do you have to be to not see that?

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  • [deleted]
  • 8 Points
  • 16:29:33, 26 July

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  • aur0ra145
  • 3 Points
  • 17:20:49, 26 July

How could anyone not want to rally behind this and fight for survival.

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  • ulyssessword
  • 12 Points
  • 15:34:00, 26 July

How do you decide which issues to spend your energy on?

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  • sandgorgons
  • 4 Points
  • 16:07:10, 26 July

I would also like to hear an answer to this.

The consensus among the trolls on this AMA seems to be that a person is only capable to devoting themselves to one cause at a time and that there is only room in a human brain to focus on one issue.

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  • happyrasa
  • 5 Points
  • 16:09:30, 26 July

Have you read the book "Sea of Slaughter" by Farley Mowat? Would love to read your adventures, too!

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  • [deleted]
  • 9 Points
  • 17:13:29, 26 July

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  • Ritz527
  • 5 Points
  • 18:19:45, 26 July

Whoa, I thought when people said "clubbing baby seals" they meant it as a joke. I didn't know there was a commercial industry that supports it. Holy crap that's awful.

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  • SnailParty
  • 10 Points
  • 17:14:52, 26 July

ITT: Not the reception OP was looking for.

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  • newfoundslander
  • 10 Points
  • 18:42:35, 26 July

Why does your organization, and organizations similar to it such as the notorious IFAW continually lie about the slaughter of white coat seals? Despite their harvesting being illegal for over thirty years now your propaganda continually shows baby white coat deals being slaughtered - my guess is it's easier to garner support for your fraudulent cause. Additionally, your organization continually shows old grainy videos of seals being clubbed, despite the fact that the majority of sealers hunt with rifles, arguably more humane than the way cattle are killed in slaughterhouses. Somehow I don't see your organization harping as relentlessly on consumption of ground beef (but then again I'm sure the image of red blood against white ice brings in more cash for you and your fellow board directors. How much money do you make per year, Ms. Aldworth?).

I'm a Newfoundlander and I know at least several families thrown into economic distress because their sustainable and ethical way of life is now threatened by people such as yourself who know nothing about the hunt. These people rely on seasonal work and your efforts plunge them into poverty - but I guess you folks care more for ending a sustainable and ethical hunt than you do for human beings and their children. Perhaps you can donate some of your six-figure salary to help them out?

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  • gestation
  • 27 Points
  • 15:11:01, 26 July

I don't understand why killing animals is bad. As someone from Newfoundland, you are choosing to help make hundreds of people who live in absolute poverty even poorer. I support killing animals, don't you?

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  • masterofmargaritas
  • 53 Points
  • 15:21:16, 26 July

And even if you don't, there are many, many, worse ways to kill animals. If you eat chicken, pork or beef and oppose the seal hunt, you are a hypocrite.

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  • missjenh
  • 19 Points
  • 16:34:24, 26 July

I'm a Canadian, myself, and while I have no direct connection to the seal hunt, I strongly support it based on the health of the current seal population and the fact that it economically benefits some of my fellow Canadians. To take away the seal hunt would be to take away the livelihoods of many Newfoundlanders who already live in poverty.

A few years ago I watched a fascinating documentary called Hidden Faces of the Seal Hunt. It was a fascinating look at the hunt from the perspective of the hunters, who truly respect the animals they're hunting. I highly recommend it.

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  • CariniGambarini
  • 13 Points
  • 15:27:08, 26 July

As someone with many relatives in Newfoundland, this guy has a point.

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  • CrazyJay131
  • 1 Points
  • 19:46:55, 26 July

If you don't mind me asking about something unrelated to the seal hunt:

What is the humane society's stance on factory farming, hormone use on young animals, and the lack of restrictions on what constitutes "Free range farming?"

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  • Lachupacabra123
  • 1 Points
  • 19:55:17, 26 July

How have the hunts affected seal populations? How has this affected their predators?

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  • FreshTylerFlowzak42
  • 1 Points
  • 23:55:38, 26 July

What people outside of atlantic canada don't understand is fishing is the main source of income for entire villages and the main reason the seal hunt goes on is because they are devastating to the fish populations and to the aboriginal's way of life. Also seals are in no way endangered, they are in fact flourishing and the seal hunt keeps the seals from becoming overpopulated

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  • logos711
  • 2 Points
  • 00:13:19, 27 July

I'm having a hard time seeing the issue, here. Are seals endangered because of the amount of them being killed before they can mate? Is the hunting of seals creating an imbalanced ecosystem? Or is it just that a lot of people are uncomfortable with the thought of such incredibly adorably animals being hunted for resources?

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  • gzell_
  • 2 Points
  • 01:32:04, 27 July

you are an idiot. for one thing it has been illigal to hunt SEALS for nearly 20 years now so literally all of your arguments has not happened in over a decade. if you really grew up in a newfoundland community, you would know this. another thing. it has ALWAYS been illigal to hunt baby seals. your statistic is grosly exagerated and honeslty offensive to anyone who is a decendant of GENERATIONS of fisherman whos lives were destroyed because you didnt like that babay seals sometimes died. green peace actualy went onto the ice pans and clubed fisherman who were hunting ADULT SEALS. you are a very mature group of activists. the end of the seal fishery literally shut down hundreds of communitys around the newfoundland isle. and still, these ignorant fools continue to spread hate over something that happened nearly 20 years ago. what is the point. the seal fishery ending IS the cause of all fishery problems in the atlantic canada. the seal population skyrocketed after these fools shut down the fishery, therefore they consumed all of the cod and salmon which is now ENDANGERED. congratulations idiot. yo are continuing the destruction of an ecosystem that FED THE MAINLAND in the early conception of confederation. newfoundland, no joke, sent thousands of pounds of fish across the country because you were to caught up in the americas possibly invading to feed yourselves. if you were trully from a fishing community, you would have seen how the industry of an island was shut down, how generations of familys suddenly had to find a new way of life, how a province was thrown into such debt because a couple of mis-informed ignorant fools spread hate about baby seals SOMETIMES getting killed, because the blend into the fucking snow and its hard to see them. you are ignorant and you are continuing the destruction of many, many peoples lives that are still feeling the after affects. NONE of you will ever understand the scale of the destruction of livelyhoods because of fools like you. go spray paint some rich person fur coat you scum

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  • jerrytodd
  • 2 Points
  • 01:34:24, 27 July

Are you against the seal hunt or just young seals? The animals are not endangered - the study you quote said:

"The current population is estimated to have declined slightly since 2008, nevertheless it is near its highest level since the mid-19th Century."

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  • themasterkser
  • 13 Points
  • 15:15:24, 26 July

Why are you trying to stop this from happening? You saw them being killed on TV, I understand that, but by campaigning against the hunt you are affecting peoples livelihoods.

Are seals endangered or a protected species? Why should they get special protection, other than because it's gruesome to watch people hunt them?

I'm not trying to derail your thread or troll, I'm honestly hoping you can clear this up.

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  • Aerosta
  • 11 Points
  • 15:39:08, 26 July

It's all good to scream "SAVE THE SEALS" all damn day but at the end of the day they're not endangered, there ARE laws put in place to make it humane, it's very good for the economy especially in places up north where this is a major source of income for some people and they provide a good product used in things like scuba diving gear and cold survival gear. If they wern't cute no one would give a damn. As a person who grew up on the east coast of Canada I can very assuredly tell you that we really don't care about this nearly as much as some people from urban centers who saw a green peace commercial once and thought it was the end of the world. If you want to make a difference go out and stop people hunting illegally. Put an end to the inhumane hunt from non-professional hunters. Put an end to people hunting with nailed sticks and golf clubs. Actually do something useful or get over yourself. Animals die to improve our quality of life. It's always been that way. Bacon is delicious, chicken burgers are great and seal skin makes some of the best rain gear on the planet. It's not pretty, neither is life. Downvote me to hell, I don't give a damn. It's true. Go stop the poaching of endangered animals, stop the ivory trade, stop human trafficking, stop staged hunts and all the other horrible shit that human beings do. You're obviously ambitious, do some good somewhere.

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  • jokerTHEIF
  • 7 Points
  • 21:00:20, 26 July

As a Canadian, we have aprox. 10% of our population living under the poverty line. That's 3 million people. Of those 3 million people fully a third are children.

I've never understood how people can spend and donate millions of dollars to protect seals and other animals while literally millions of Canadians are unable to support themselves or their families.

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