Snowden Files Reveal NSA Wiretapped Private Communications Of Icelandic Politicians (theguardian.com)

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5516 ups - 3360 downs = 2156 votes

331 comments submitted at 18:18:21 on Oct 3, 2013 by FemaleTaliban

  • [-]
  • NeverEnufWTF
  • 308 Points
  • 20:35:11, 3 October

Is it just me, or is anyone else failing to find any reference to Icelandic politicians in the linked article? Not bitching, just seems like it might be the wrong article.

  • [-]
  • breezytrees
  • 217 Points
  • 22:35:50, 3 October

Including this one, the last few articles posted by /u/femaletaliban have completely made up titles that have absolutely nothing to do with the article. All of them have been upvoted and are fairly popular.

  1. Statement From Edward Snowden: "The world is finally starting to turn against the U.S. government - this is a very good thing." No such quote from Edward Snowden is present in the article, or anywhere else.

  2. Snowden Files Reveal NSA Wiretapped Afghan President Hamid Karzai. Hamid Karzai isn't mentioned once in the article.

  3. Brazil: "The NSA spying machine is out of control, U.S. must be held accountable for their crimes." No such quote from Brazil is present in the article, the video provided in the article, or anywhere else.

  4. Putin: "US foreign policy is hypocritical and damaging to the world." Actually an article on age related memory loss.

And finally, when called out, /u/FemaleTaliban admits that it's all a ruse:

>I know, I'm just curious how many upvotes I can get with a headline of Putin bashing the US.

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  • nowhathappenedwas
  • 113 Points
  • 23:05:20, 3 October

This is a brutal indictment of /r/worldnews readers (who clearly don't read the article) and (even moreso) the moderators.

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  • sureoz
  • 21 Points
  • 23:22:49, 3 October

Well, I've permitted worldnews to crap on my frontpage because I was just too lazy to get rid of it. Now its wasting my time because the top rated post in this shitfest is just a flat out lie that is blindly upvoted by headline.

UGHH, now I have to actually have to take the 1 minute to figure out how to unsub things from my frontpage. Fuck you worldnews. fuck. you.

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  • DELTATKG
  • 6 Points
  • 23:25:39, 3 October

Unsub button on the right above the sidebar.

  • [-]
  • blenderben
  • 6 Points
  • 23:32:05, 3 October

I am un-subbing, I'll be back if the mods can clean this type of crap up and actually 'moderate'.

  • [-]
  • malwart247
  • 4 Points
  • 23:33:49, 3 October

Is he gone yet? Can we talk about him now?

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  • AnimalNation
  • 1 Points
  • 23:41:27, 3 October

Don't blame mods because the userbase is comprised of idiots who don't read the articles. If mods were modding properly these threads would have been deleted, but then we'd also have one less example of how the userbase is comprised of idiots who don't even read the articles.

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  • grumpypotato
  • 2 Points
  • 23:52:44, 3 October

Or just ignore this troll user.

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  • PantsGrenades
  • 2 Points
  • 23:51:00, 3 October

"/r/politics is off the front page, and /r/worldnews should be too. Man, it sure is going to be nice when no one is openly discussing politics and philosophy in the public sphere anymore."

Get the mods (or the community) to fix this issue, don't deprive yourself of the valuable discussion and info which makes up the bulk of these subs, but are otherwise easier to gloss over.

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  • Roast_A_Botch
  • 3 Points
  • 23:25:44, 3 October

On the top of the right sidebar, under the "Submit a Link" button. /r/worldnews is a cesspool, but I feed off the blind hatred of brown people and America here.

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  • caboose11
  • 1 Points
  • 23:36:09, 3 October

That's consistent for most of the large subreddits, sadly. People see a headline they agree with and upvote.

I could probably post a link to a porn site with the title "John Boehner admits he doesn't care about anything but keeping his position and said the american people can kiss his ass" and it would get upvoted to the top of /r/news and /r/politics if the mods didn't catch it.

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  • Vik1ng
  • 13 Points
  • 23:07:11, 3 October

Looking at the comments I think /u/femaletaliban is just trying to prove a point that nobody really cares about such titles or the rules in the sidebar.

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  • Mervill
  • 13 Points
  • 23:27:42, 3 October

Similar shenanigans from /u/YuYuDude1.

  1. "Snowden Files Reveal NSA Wiretapped Phones Of Senior Level Officials At The United Nations". United Nations never mentioned.

  2. "Snowden Files Reveal NSA Spied On Canadian Politicians, Used Information As Leverage To Influence Drug Policy". Neither Canada or the Drug war mentioned.

  3. "Snowden Files Reveal NSA Spied On Private Communications Of Canadian Diplomats". Article is actually about India.

  4. "Al-Tawhid Brigade, A Syrian Rebel Group Deemed 'Moderate' By CIA, Found Executing Christians in Daraa". Article is about cryptanalysis.

  5. "Snowden Files Reveal NSA Spied On Private Communications of Swedish Citizens". Sweden never mentioned. This is actually Opinion piece, which is against the sidebar rules, yet it has 1155 upvotes.

This is pretty ridiculous.

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  • tootie
  • 37 Points
  • 23:07:47, 3 October

I'm not sure if femaletaliban deserves to be banned for trolling or awarded Reddit gold for this utterly marvelous social experiment.

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  • FemaleTaliban
  • 18 Points
  • 23:46:40, 3 October

This is the worst regulated sub out of all the defaults. I only do this to get the mods' attention to better clean this place up. They don't reply to any messages you send them.

Ever since r/politics was taken off the default this sub has turned to crap.

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  • SirLeepsALot
  • 5 Points
  • 23:52:45, 3 October

I for one am glad this is happening, good work FemaleTaliban.

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  • LinkFixerBotSnr
  • 1 Points
  • 23:56:05, 3 October

/r/politics


^This ^is ^an ^automated ^bot^. ^For ^reporting ^problems, ^contact ^/u/WinneonSword.

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  • KaidenUmara
  • 2 Points
  • 23:34:00, 3 October

i just cant wait for bachman to quote one of these fake headlines in the next election

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  • seabearwasmyloveddog
  • 4 Points
  • 23:27:40, 3 October

Social experiment? It really seems to me like this user is deliberately misleading thousands of people...

  • [-]
  • Vik1ng
  • 19 Points
  • 23:31:19, 3 October

Well, that's the experiment.

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  • seabearwasmyloveddog
  • -3 Points
  • 23:41:14, 3 October

I'd argue it's not an experiment at all. Her intentions are clearly malicious. She's pushing an agenda, just look at her comment history: >get your fucking logic outta here. Can't you see /r/worldnews is for Amerikkka bashing now?

> I'm glad other people on this sub hate Amerikkka as much as me.

all her misleading posts paint America in an extremely negative light. she's out to tarnish the US with false information.... I doubt she's the only one that intentionally misleads us with false information.

This is why it is scary how so many people get their news in 140-character format.. Imagine how many people glazed over her false headlines, and then went on blabbing to their friends about how they saw an article on the Guardian that said the US wiretapped Icelandic politicians. It spreads like fire: ooh the Guardian.. man that article is long, but I get the gist from that reddit headline.. im gonna go tell all my friends...

It's messed up. this shit should never ever be applauded.

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  • paleo_dragon
  • 5 Points
  • 23:46:58, 3 October

Bro I'm pretty sure it's just a troll, not some conspiracy to undermine Americas credibility

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  • caboose11
  • 9 Points
  • 23:36:51, 3 October

The experiment is whether people actually check the content before upvoting.

The answer, unsurprisingly, is no.

  • [-]
  • gomez12
  • 1 Points
  • 23:54:28, 3 October

I think the admins could very easily answer that question

How many upvotes vs how many comments vs how many clicks of the link

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  • dream_the_endless
  • 3 Points
  • 23:35:40, 3 October

Or just checking to see how many people simply up vote something because it has "Snowden reveals [insert anything here]", ultimately showing how much most Snowden supporters rely on socking statements instead of actually reading and understanding.

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  • AnimalNation
  • 1 Points
  • 23:43:04, 3 October

It's got nothing to do with Snowden supporters in particular, the misleading articles he's posted span a pretty huge range of issues and they're all being upvoted.

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  • seabearwasmyloveddog
  • 1 Points
  • 23:47:08, 3 October

i think you're giving her the benefit of the doubt here. look at her user history -- I think she's spreading anti-american propaganda. she's presenting false claims, and backing them up with lengthy articles posted on credible news sources, expecting that nobody will actually read the article, and take her TL;DR headline as an accurate summary.. pretty clever, and really messed up.

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/003/087/clvrgrl.jpg

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  • dream_the_endless
  • 1 Points
  • 23:49:39, 3 October

Agreed. I shouldn't give the benefit of the doubt here. But the conclusions drawn could still be the same regardless of intent though, right?

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  • helm
  • 9 Points
  • 23:11:14, 3 October

This makes me sad. The #1 complaint in /r/science is about sensationalist/misleading headlines. But whenever someone tries to submit something with a subdued wording, it is downvoted. Look at this post. You know what the title of his first submission was? That was correct, but since the post had been caught in the spam filter, we suggested a less controversial title instead of this:

"Paedophile Mice 'Kept At Bay By Tears Of Potential Victims'" That would have caught more upvotes.

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  • c4ligul4
  • 10 Points
  • 23:15:53, 3 October

I'm posting this from Iceland. Fuck you femaletaliban, a misleading title is nothing short of a lie.

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  • KingE
  • 3 Points
  • 23:32:54, 3 October

I think the point is that if you desire posts that aren't misleading, hyperbole, or completely made up, do not subscribe to /r/worldnews. femaletaliban only makes the post, thousands of others blindly upvote because confirmation bias is a hell of a drug.

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  • Alexis_
  • 3 Points
  • 23:38:40, 3 October

Éttu skít - eat shit OP

Sincerely; every redditor from iceland

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  • blenderben
  • 2 Points
  • 23:30:51, 3 October

If that is the case, can't we get a mod to ban this individual or remove their posts? I am not sure misleading click bait is a good thing, even if the intentions are good and are to educate.

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  • PavementBlues
  • 1 Points
  • 23:43:24, 3 October

I think that there are a few people working together here to prank reddit. Other users, including /u/yuyudude1 and /u/NiceTryNSA, have also been submitting fake news articles.

The weird thing? All NSA spying "articles" from all of them have started with the same phrase: "Snowden Files Reveal NSA [Wiretapped/Spied on] [Ethnic Group or Ethnic Politicians]" with the same title caps and the same title structure. All of them link to articles that have nothing to do with the title.

I could be just getting paranoid, but it looks like a group of people who are trying to corrupt the reddit newsfeed with inaccurate information.

Edit: Formatting

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  • Trying2SaveHumanity
  • -5 Points
  • 23:16:32, 3 October

my theory?

the government is trying to make people who support bringing down the NSA look stupid.

after posting a bullshit title to /r/worldnews, a subreddit that they know is on the default subreddit list, they use automatic upvoting bots to get their post to the front page (after all, what else do those boys in the pentagon doin).

nextly, they just let the post kill itself. by giving it all the upvotes it needs they can go to look for the next big thing they can use to use against the NSA-opposers.

and the cycle repeats itself..

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  • Muslim_Acid_Salesman
  • 3 Points
  • 23:23:34, 3 October

http://i.imgur.com/ie4p0B7.jpg

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  • Roast_A_Botch
  • 1 Points
  • 23:28:44, 3 October

Or this sub will upvote anything pro-Europe(especially Nordic) and anti-US.

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  • Mervill
  • 75 Points
  • 20:43:52, 3 October

Quite a few articles related to surveillance issues have had highly editorialized or flat out wrong titles lately. Not accusing the OP, but I was in another thread like this and someone compiled a list of posts that had flat out wrong titles.

Edit: Here is the list I was talking about. The fact that the Canadian title links to an article about India is especially weird. Is the fact that the US is spying in India really so uninteresting that it needs to be changed to clickbait?

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  • Muslim_Acid_Salesman
  • 25 Points
  • 20:48:57, 3 October

Check out /u/yuyudude1

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  • sixbluntsdeep
  • 18 Points
  • 21:01:04, 3 October

Why isn't he banned from /r/worldnews?

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  • WorldNewsModsAreFags
  • 6 Points
  • 22:55:19, 3 October

>

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  • Muslim_Acid_Salesman
  • 17 Points
  • 21:02:04, 3 October

I have no idea. If he was the mods sure did take their sweet time, he had at least 2 articles with over 1000 upvotes that were complete bullshit.

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  • dewdnoc
  • 10 Points
  • 21:21:59, 3 October

Sadly, a lot of shit news makes its way to the front page of reddit. Motherjones and Salon editorialize their news far worse than Fox, and yet they consistently reach the front page.

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  • Muslim_Acid_Salesman
  • 24 Points
  • 21:29:13, 3 October

That's because Redditors don't care about facts, just titles that align with their own narrative of the world.

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  • thetobester
  • 14 Points
  • 21:59:57, 3 October

I for one, read the articles and the comments. Usually the comments reveal if the article has been mis-represented.

I'm not sure that the majority of Redditors in World News simply scroll the headlines on the top level and upvote downvote based on their knee jerk reaction to the headlines. I don't doubt there are some, but after a time, they would realise they are dumb-asses.

EDIT: Having said that, perhaps we need a sticky post to define Worldnews as a place to read the actual stories rather than simply up and down vote entries.

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  • theterminizer
  • 9 Points
  • 22:30:46, 3 October

I usually just read the comments first. The top comment typically debunks the title and saves me time.

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  • FuckImOnRedditAgain
  • 3 Points
  • 23:06:20, 3 October

I do the same, but this is the same reason Popular Science disabled comments on their site. People would come in, not read the article, and say it was BS because of X, Y, and Z. Then other people would come in and see the comment and go "Oh, the article must be bullshit like always."

Cuts both ways, all I'm saying.

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  • Muslim_Acid_Salesman
  • 5 Points
  • 22:18:03, 3 October

If this sub was properly regulated by the mods, we wouldn't have these problems.

This is probably the worst regulated sub out of all the defaults.

  • [-]
  • thetobester
  • 2 Points
  • 22:22:25, 3 October

I messaged them with some suggestions - will see if there's a response.

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  • seabearwasmyloveddog
  • 1 Points
  • 23:30:11, 3 October

> I'm not sure that the majority of Redditors in World News simply scroll the headlines on the top level and upvote downvote based on their knee jerk reaction to the headlines.

That seems to be exactly what happened with this article, and others posted by "FemaleTaliban"...

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  • ProfMadFatStaxx
  • 0 Points
  • 22:43:31, 3 October

upvote to you, good sir!

  • [-]
  • YourLogicAgainstYou
  • 2 Points
  • 22:58:19, 3 October

That's because most redditors are 14 years old and reading is hard.

  • [-]
  • mehatch
  • 1 Points
  • 23:17:19, 3 October

>That's because Redditors don't care about facts, just titles that align >with their own narrative of the world.

Can't tell if remaining consistent with your point or accidentally threw a stone in a glass house.

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  • marshsmellow
  • 1 Points
  • 23:24:45, 3 October

Yeah, what he said!

  • [-]
  • Murgie
  • -1 Points
  • 21:59:33, 3 October

It's very brave of you to admit that, fellow Redditor.

Acknowledging the problem is the first step on the road to success.

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  • thelastdeskontheleft
  • 0 Points
  • 22:15:15, 3 October

What's easier to read. A title that should be summarizing the article included?

Or a full article?

Not excusing them, but it's not hard to see why.

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  • thetobester
  • 1 Points
  • 21:58:08, 3 October

So if there were some borderline issues that were over-sensationalised, do you think this could lead to borderline issues being treated as unimportant as Redditors 'tire' of specific issues?

I'm wondering if this could be some kind of play of manipulating the Reddit opinion of issues. ie. make that issue so ubiquitously over-sensationalised that we lose interest in it and eventually start to be derisive against it.

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  • dewdnoc
  • 4 Points
  • 22:04:39, 3 October

Its painfully obvious what their motivation is, and it has nothing to do with trying to manipulate popular opinion. Neither MJ or Salon actually print tangible news, in the sense that you cant go buy a paper subscription to either company the same you would the NY Times. They are built entirely upon a business model that relies upon the money that they make off add revenue. By creating sensationalistic headlines that cater to Reddit's liberal bias, they can ensure a front page post, and the subsequent traffic that goes along with it.

It comes down to money. They spew shitty news to get a paycheck.

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  • breezytrees
  • 1 Points
  • 23:13:07, 3 October

Motherjones and Salon editorialize their news far worse than Fox, but at least they're not as bad as Reddit users. Evidently, we're the worst of the bunch.

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  • Vroome
  • -1 Points
  • 22:31:22, 3 October

STFU and stop circlejerking over the circlejerk.

You are the problem with this subreddit.

  • [-]
  • SameShit2piles
  • 1 Points
  • 22:58:10, 3 October

Listen, the censoring on reddit is at an all time high. I would not be surprised if this was "allowed" on the site to simply confuse people into not caring as much. Kauramaunt (sp?) has deleted posts and there are more out there. Did you ever notice so much bickering NSA posts before? No, we were united and pissed at the US Gov't. Once again this is my opinion and would change it if it was not what I see.

  • [-]
  • subarash
  • 1 Points
  • 23:56:32, 3 October

Because that is just sweeping dirt under the rug. The real problem is that those articles were upvoted so much in the first place.

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  • no_potato_for_latvia
  • -8 Points
  • 22:14:02, 3 October

Why should he get banned? Because you disagree with him?

Go live in Saudi Arabia or a similar shithole. I have a feeling you'd be much more comfortable there.

  • [-]
  • Irish33
  • 1 Points
  • 22:05:30, 3 October

"I believe people with Alzheimer's Disease should be euthanized. CMV"

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  • NotSoHelpfulGuy
  • 1 Points
  • 22:32:49, 3 October

Dude also posted this

Either he's playing the long troll on r/worldnews, or he dialed in his karma-baiting.

  • [-]
  • wrjjtz
  • 2 Points
  • 22:24:55, 3 October

I think it's an organized attempt to attack the credibility of the Snowden leaks.

  • [-]
  • NotSoHelpfulGuy
  • 2 Points
  • 22:32:01, 3 October

Like the one that topped r/worldnews this morning?

  • [-]
  • jetRink
  • 20 Points
  • 22:14:03, 3 October

And as of right now, the top comment on the post is a conspiracy theory that is based only on the headline. Good work, everyone.

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  • Priapulid
  • 5 Points
  • 22:25:26, 3 October

We did it Reddit!

  • [-]
  • feureau
  • 1 Points
  • 22:43:17, 3 October

I didn't even have to break my fedora

.... what did we do btw?

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  • sixbluntsdeep
  • 16 Points
  • 20:58:07, 3 October

You can't even crtl+F "Iceland" and get any hits. What the fuck?

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  • tootie
  • 5 Points
  • 22:53:53, 3 October

This is the pinnacle of the circlejerk. If the headline says Snowden and the domain is theguardian.com it will get thousands of upvotes. This post could have rugby scores and no one would care.

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  • gummz00
  • 1 Points
  • 23:00:50, 3 October

Searched for "Iceland" and found no matches. Wow.

  • [-]
  • spankymuffin
  • 1 Points
  • 23:25:11, 3 October

You must be new to reddit.

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  • [deleted]
  • 0 Points
  • 21:56:09, 3 October

[deleted]

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  • sixbluntsdeep
  • 8 Points
  • 22:19:57, 3 October

What are you talking about? This is actually a decent, well thought out article. It simply has nothing to do with Icelandic Politicians, nor the NSA.

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  • velocide
  • 1 Points
  • 23:07:26, 3 October

IMO - this would be an interesting conspiracy theory. NSA tapping Icelandic politicians would imply. . . . the NSA in cahoots with the Russian banking oligarchs who deregulated, looted, and crashed Iceland?

That's some crazy shit they're smoking!

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  • dubberlykm
  • 2 Points
  • 22:34:57, 3 October

I don't think its The Guardian's fault that OP put the wrong title.

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  • DEVi4TION
  • 2 Points
  • 22:15:57, 3 October

That's exactly what this is trying to accomplish. Don't let this garbage distract you, the snowden issue is indeed what we should be focusing on.

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  • CynicsaurusRex
  • 1 Points
  • 22:42:17, 3 October

Indeed, I agree that the larger question of personal privacy and the scope of which government surveillance should be limited to is more pertinent now than perhaps even when the patriot act was being signed into law. I'm just getting tired of this "NSA so awful, they spying on you right now, see here's another article about their bull shit" and reddit just eats it up when it's hardly relevant. Let's have a real discussion and force real change, we're a group of millions but everyone is stuck on this herp derp NSA circlejerk bull shit.

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  • BrendanLamb
  • 1 Points
  • 22:40:54, 3 October

http://i.imgur.com/yWOLe.jpg