On behalf of casual players: Let's say I'm not interested in DoH or DoL classes. What's are my prospects for making enough money to sustain myself endgame? (self.ffxiv)

48 ups - 18 downs = 30 votes

I'm not really interested in crafting or gathering. Was never my thing. It's definitely cool and I may change my mind (alchemy seems pretty awesome) but I enjoy being on the battle field. Any input from people in similar situations? For reference: I consider my main role to be healing and I imagine I'll dabble in DPS down the road. I've yet to reach endgame, but when I do, I most likely won't be any hardcore endgame guilds.

All input welcome!

174 comments submitted at 13:34:56 on Oct 20, 2013 by sketchingthebook

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  • Because_Bot_Fed
  • -39 Points
  • 21:33:38, 20 October

Such a cancerous practice.

I really wish they'd implement some kind of anti-reselling protection to stop this kind of nonsense.

You provide no service, no value, perform no function, generate no materials, and produce no finished products, you're literally a leech on the economy.

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  • burndownthescene
  • 12 Points
  • 22:12:09, 20 October

Yea! We don't want no economy actin' like an economy up in our game! Derp.

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  • Because_Bot_Fed
  • -24 Points
  • 22:15:05, 20 October

People that do that in the real world are parasites too.

And if I saw people IRL doing that shit I'd tell them they were pieces of shit for it.

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  • incredimike
  • 6 Points
  • 22:45:50, 20 October

Gonna assume you don't have any investments.

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  • Because_Bot_Fed
  • -21 Points
  • 22:48:37, 20 October

You'd be correct.

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  • burndownthescene
  • 1 Points
  • 02:44:39, 21 October

Uh... congratulations? I guess?
Edit: Oh god, I just read the rest of the stuff you posted in this thread. I feel like I should send Red Cross some money to help you out or something.

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  • Because_Bot_Fed
  • -7 Points
  • 03:42:26, 21 October

Parasites that want to send money to charity.

You should do standup.

  • [-]
  • burndownthescene
  • 2 Points
  • 05:29:48, 21 October

Making the assumption that I partake in the activity you loathe...

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  • Because_Bot_Fed
  • -4 Points
  • 05:49:20, 21 October

Right cause I'm going to go to another website because you're too lazy to articulate your thought in text.

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  • burndownthescene
  • 1 Points
  • 06:02:08, 21 October

Says the guy who's limited to "piece of shit" or "parasite." You're cute, I like you.

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  • Because_Bot_Fed
  • -1 Points
  • 06:13:36, 21 October

We should go on a date.

I'll buy the food and resell it to you at a markup.

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  • burndownthescene
  • 1 Points
  • 18:34:21, 21 October

But the sex is still free, right?

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  • Uninstalling_ATG
  • 4 Points
  • 21:57:48, 20 October

What are you mad at him for? Direct your hate at those undercutting for a quick profit.

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  • Because_Bot_Fed
  • -13 Points
  • 22:14:22, 20 October

There's nothing wrong with undercutting.

That's supply and demand.

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  • Ehkoe
  • 5 Points
  • 02:48:47, 21 October

Supports undercutting, which devalues items, but is against buying low and selling high.

All my wat.

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  • Because_Bot_Fed
  • -9 Points
  • 03:45:42, 21 October

If undercutting devalues an item it's a result of supply and demand. Someone arbitrarily enforcing a pricepoint by buying up cheap items and reselling them at a higher price is the problem in the system, not undercutting.

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  • Ehkoe
  • 2 Points
  • 03:57:47, 21 October

Someone arbitrarily deciding to screw over the people that are actively putting product into the market by lowering the price point is a problem with undercutting.

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  • Because_Bot_Fed
  • -5 Points
  • 05:53:56, 21 October

It's not arbitrary.

If there's more supply than demand, there will be an excess of product on the market, and not enough people to buy it.

Often the lack of people willing to buy an item is due to the price. Lower your price point, attract more business. You move more volume, for a lower price.

Either that or there's too many players in the market, and undercutting you is my way of saying "I'm willing to move this at any reasonable price because the market is saturated and there don't appear to be enough buyers and I don't have time to sit here playing the relist at one gil lower game all day".

Seller against seller is competition. It will always be competition. It has always been competition. What you're advocating is price-fixing-micromanagement where you basically just play "tag" with relisting.

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  • Uninstalling_ATG
  • 3 Points
  • 22:41:10, 20 October

I agree completely. I was just pointing out the flaw in the other post.

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  • Broward
  • 2 Points
  • 01:46:39, 21 October

I agree, but there is a difference between pricing a gil lower than the next guy, and the jackass who tanks the market by putting stuff up for 10k+ lower than the next guy.

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  • NeuralNos
  • 8 Points
  • 22:38:25, 20 October

Except he does provide a service; he provides the mobility of capital. He allows for the seller to get their money today instead of waiting several days for a buyer, he warehouses the goods in his inventory, and then creates the market on the opposite side. This is a very important function that needs to be performed in an efficient market. What he's doing is what creates the volatility and movement of the market, otherwise we would end up waiting long periods of time for orders to get filled

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  • Because_Bot_Fed
  • -18 Points
  • 22:49:40, 20 October

Bullshit.

Anything listed enough under the average price to be attractive to this type of "flipping" practice will and does sell very quickly.

He's not providing anything. He's skimming off the top of someone else's work.

You couldn't possibly be more full of shit or more wrong if you tried.

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  • NeuralNos
  • 4 Points
  • 23:35:35, 20 October

The person who did the work got paid exactly what they were asking for it. Why does it matter what the person buying it does with it? If you don't want to pay the high price then read the market like he does and learn to buy on the low side. Don't be so butt hurt over other peoples success.

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  • Because_Bot_Fed
  • -14 Points
  • 23:59:16, 20 October

Utter nonsense. This has nothing to do with the seller. Why on earth do you think the seller is even relevant?

This is about the buyer flipping goods and depriving legitimate customers that are responsible for generating the demand in the first place of a good grab at a cheap item. People that flip items typically check a specific rotation of items far more often than a typical legitimate customer because this is their livelihood. It's not a fair fight.

Go look up the definition of a parasite. That's exactly what flippers are. You glean benefit from the market without giving anything back in return.

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  • e-jammer
  • 4 Points
  • 00:22:55, 21 October

Please move into the woods and use leaves as currency.

Any other system seems just too painful for you.

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  • Because_Bot_Fed
  • -14 Points
  • 00:52:30, 21 October

More like the reality of your parasitism is too painful for you.

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  • waffle_pocket
  • 1 Points
  • 15:19:37, 21 October

NO, he doesn't change the demand at all. Only so many people happen to need a str materia IV (or whatever) at any given point in time. The people who do this allow it to sell before anyone needs and prevents prices from falling to rock bottom.

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  • Because_Bot_Fed
  • 1 Points
  • 18:04:44, 21 October

What the actual fuck are you talking about?

The idea that only so many people "need" a materia at a given time is probably true, but what you totally utterly fail to realize is that how many people are willing to buy it is dependant on the price, if you can't afford 50k then you're not in the market for buying that materia even if you "need" it. Worrying about the price dropping is such a whiny greedy mentality. If the price drops it's a reflection of the availability of the goods in question and the supply of buyers. i.e. supply and demand.

So whatever "good" you think someone buying and flipping is doing, you're totally wrong, and once again couldn't be more full of shit.

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  • e-jammer
  • 4 Points
  • 00:22:03, 21 October

Clearly you have no idea what economics are....

If you want them cheap, you know when they cost the cheapest. You can buy them as cheaply as they can..

Economics is a game of intelligence. If you aren't smart enough to compete, then don't play games with economies.

Also, never play Eve. You clearly haven't got the brain power to survive in that kind of environment.

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  • Because_Bot_Fed
  • -9 Points
  • 00:56:14, 21 October

Understanding what people are doing, or why they're doing it, or how it works, has absolutely nothing to do with finding parasitic market practices despicable.

Economics isn't a game. Assclowns who want to profit from other people's work turn it into a game. And that "game" is one I don't play, because I find the practices involved to be morally bankrupt.

~~Don't~~ let the door hit you on the way out. And take your shitty space MMO with you. Choosing not to be a parasite doesn't mean I lack the ability to do it successfully, it just means I'm not a piece of shit.

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  • e-jammer
  • 2 Points
  • 01:44:25, 21 October

> Economics isn't a game.

For some people, the most fun they have in MMOs is playing the game of economics.

You buy from people every day in the real world who conduct themselves in the manner that you are decrying as morally bancrupt. You support them with your business where actual lives are at stake.

I will be playing this game for many years to come. I will enjoy making profit off you, but that is not what will keep me going.

It is your tears that will sustain me.

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  • Because_Bot_Fed
  • -7 Points
  • 03:19:14, 21 October

Actually people in the real world are providing a service.

When I buy paper towel at target, there's not a paper towel factory across the street, and even if there was it's not in that factory's business model to sell individual items directly to consumers.

But it's not across the street from you.

It's across town, at best, or across the state. Or maybe even in another state.

So target trucks it in, for me to buy, their markup is because they need to pay to have it trucked in, pay their employees, pay for the cost of having a store there, etc. All of these costs are less than what it would cost me to have companies individually ship me products.

So the shit I buy in real life, is nothing like the shit I buy in-game.

They provide a service when they sell me shit in real life, because they save tons of money and shit for me by having huge assloads of shit trucked in from all over the country, right there for me, a 5 minute drive away. That's why they get to mark up the cost on my products.

The people buying fleece when it gets listed for 200g and relisting it at 400g? What service did they provide anyone?

Abso-the-mother-fucking-lutely-nothing. That's what.

Your analogy is flawed. Your logic is flawed. But that's exactly what I expect from a parasite.

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  • ethereal_g
  • 2 Points
  • 22:59:00, 20 October

There is an anti reselling practice: you can choose how much Gil you'll accept for the sale of your item. Yay

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  • Because_Bot_Fed
  • -11 Points
  • 23:03:23, 20 October

You're in denial so hard about your parasitism.

I think this is one of the phases. But I'd work on getting to acceptance.

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  • Ehkoe
  • 2 Points
  • 02:47:36, 21 October

"Buy low and sell high."

Why would you not do this?

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  • Because_Bot_Fed
  • -3 Points
  • 03:45:05, 21 October

Just because it works in an MMO does not make it analogous to examples in real life.

If you went to the store and bought up all of the cheap ... say ... milk, and then you sat outside the store and tried to resell the milk at a huge markup, do you know what you'd be? The world's biggest jackass. I'm pretty sure you'd be lynched before the day was out.

A better question is why are so many people complacent with this behavior?

But cheap goods listed on the market just for the sake of reselling them to someone who actually needs them. And you're contributing what to the economy? You're helping who?

No one. You're just a parasitic middleman interjecting yourself into the equation for no other reason than greed and lethargy.

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  • Ehkoe
  • 2 Points
  • 03:50:49, 21 October

Buying low and selling high is how the real market works.

Ever seen the stock exchange? That's all they do. Buy when the stocks are cheap, sell when they're pricey.

Your example is like if you bought a bunch of Gyshal Greens from the vendor, moved to the next zone over and started selling them for more - which is nonsensical.

And for the record, I don't even play the market.

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  • Because_Bot_Fed
  • -3 Points
  • 06:12:47, 21 October

1) The stock exchange serves a hypothetical purpose that I don't entirely agree with.

2) Generally speaking the stock exchange is riddled with corruption

3) Most of the people making money off the stock exchange are parasites too.

And no, my example is exactly what my example is. You take all the cheap shit, and then move it to the front of the line in the listings for barely less than the next guy, and expect to make free money off someone else's work.