Christie R-NJ Wins Big, McAuliffe D-VA by a hair, Communism ☭ triumphs in NYC, and Colorado Rejects Californication Amendment 66 (self.Conservative)

40 ups - 15 downs = 25 votes

76 comments submitted at 03:11:59 on Nov 6, 2013 by CarolinaPunk

  • [-]
  • ciscoiv
  • 13 Points
  • 04:29:27, 6 November

NYT reports Christie is winning 51% of Latino Vote.

To all of my fellow conservatives who say it can't be done, I hope this is a bit of wake up call. Yes it can be done. It's a matter of being respectful to the community's sensitivities and not just showing up months before election.

Also, it helps not to say stupid things that can be used as sound bites over and over.

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  • _nate_higgers
  • 4 Points
  • 05:00:21, 6 November

Does this make Christie the top runner for 2016? Personally I would prefer Rand or Cruz but I think Christie is our best shot at this point. I would take him over Hillary any day. He's moderate enough to win over New Jersey so he might be able to win the independents which is really what the GOP needs to do to win the 2016 election.

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  • TheSecretExit
  • 4 Points
  • 06:04:26, 6 November

Eh, McCain and Romney were both pretty moderate - Romney won the independents, even - but they both still lost.

The independents are important, but the base is also needed.

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  • _nate_higgers
  • 2 Points
  • 06:49:47, 6 November

That's why I think Christie has a shot. He's moderate enough to win Independents and Conservative enough to get conservatives to show up. That's where we Lost 2012.

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  • Mbkn
  • 4 Points
  • 08:30:30, 6 November

I just don't see the base voting for Christie. If they can sit out McCain and Romney for not being republican enough what makes you think Christie would be in their good graces? Their is a large bloc that feels entirely disenfranchised and the Republican party has done nothing to make them feel included but rather a necessary evil. I suspect that they will continue to lose these larger elections until they stop throwing each other under the bus. The tea party for all its faults is not going to go away. If they keep trying to distance themselves they will lose time and time again. You can't flip the bird to that many voters and expect it to come from somewhere else magically.

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  • TheSecretExit
  • 1 Points
  • 13:47:16, 6 November

I disagree that Christie is conservative enough, but I guess we'll see in the primaries.

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  • Amoonguss
  • 9 Points
  • 05:05:55, 6 November

Yes, because running a moderate republican worked so well the last 2 elections.

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  • blatherskiter
  • 7 Points
  • 06:39:59, 6 November

It also worked well with Bob Dole, George Bush Sr., and Gerald Ford.

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  • NakedAndBehindYou
  • 1 Points
  • 07:05:14, 6 November

Running a moderate isn't going to work if he fails to inspire the conservative base to show up and vote.

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  • FisterR0b0t0
  • 4 Points
  • 10:00:16, 6 November

The demographics aren't shifting in favor of the conservative base. You may pick them up, but you lose swing voters in the process and energize the flakier democratic base.

You can't look at the whole country, you have to look at Ohio, Florida, Virginia, etc. Hell, the fact North Carolina has to be taken into consideration and Texas looks to be moving purple should be enough to wake up the republican party. You can't keep pushing farther right when you're preaching to a shrinking base --the math doesn't work. What you gain in conservative turnout (which tends to be pretty good already) will be completely washed out with independents that won't vote so far right and democrats whose base will rally against the conservative ideologues.

Conservatism will have to evolve for future generations. If that sounds like nails on the chalk board, how does President Hillary Rodham Clinton sound?

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  • molldawg
  • 2 Points
  • 12:00:27, 6 November

If conservatism evolves, it's not conservatism.

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  • lopez33
  • 1 Points
  • 12:55:32, 6 November

Who is the Latino vote?

I really, honestly want to know the rationale behind lumping all hispanics in the US as one voting bloc. As a Mexican myself, I know my values do not align with those of Cubans, Puerto Ricans, Salvadorians, etc.

I think its interesting to note that NJ's Latino population is 86% non-mexican. http://www.pewhispanic.org/states/state/nj/

I'm just honestly curious behind the rationale here.

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  • TheSecretExit
  • 0 Points
  • 06:02:06, 6 November

I agree, for the most part. I don't view conservatism as an ideology that needs to change its message for each voting bloc, though. We can get any group by championing real conservatism and, as you say, being very careful about what we say. Although immigration is the elephant in the room.

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  • blatherskiter
  • 18 Points
  • 03:27:11, 6 November

What is with NYC? Republicans transformed it from total shithole to safest, cleanest, most prosperous city in the world.

They must have looked at what liberals did to Detroit and said, "That's what I want right there."

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  • xwhy
  • 10 Points
  • 04:03:17, 6 November

Bloomberg overstayed his welcome and Lhota under campaigned. There hasn't been a D mayor elected here since 1989. The GOP had a good run.

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  • saxonjf
  • 2 Points
  • 07:14:55, 6 November

Bloomberg shouldn't be given the sobriquet of of Republican. He abandoned it fast enough. He certainly took liberal positions enough. The really sad thing is that Lhota looked like the perfect man for the job. NYCers passed up on an excellent administrator for a career politician. Methinks that the Big Apple will start to grow rotten.

Chris Christie has already began the process of trying to appear conservative, even though he's campaigned like a liberal for the past year. Let's hope that after he's done his duty to get Republicans elected to Congress in 2014, that Conservatives remember how he betrayed them as he attempts to garner the nomination.

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  • rand2012
  • 1 Points
  • 06:13:01, 6 November

It will be interesting to see how crime rates are going to go, also taxes. The de Blasio character strikes me as a sociopath, but I can't blame New Yorkers for their choice; the Republican candidate didn't really give people many reasons to vote for him.

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  • CarolinaPunk
  • -2 Points
  • 03:29:33, 6 November

They have forgotten what Democrats did. They have made their choice, and now they must be punished.

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  • TheSecretExit
  • 6 Points
  • 05:55:32, 6 November

All right, guys, NYC elected a liberal mayor. This gives us an opportunity to see and show near uncontrolled liberal policy making as it's happening. We should use NYC like we did Detroit, to show the average person what liberalism looks like in reality, and not in the flowery utopia that is claimed by them.

This is an opportunity, and it shouldn't be wasted.

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  • someotherdudeagain
  • 2 Points
  • 07:08:33, 6 November

Leftists don't vote based on governance. They vote based on group solidarity (racial, cultural, union, etc). Why do you think Detroit kept on voting Dem as it was being driven into the ground?

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  • saxonjf
  • -1 Points
  • 07:26:21, 6 November

We already have that in disasters of cities like Detroit, Memphis, Philadelphia, New Orleans, and Chicago. How many of our American cities have to become abject failures before liberals realize?

New York is supposed to be our best foot forward: the city that's the shining light for the world to see that America is the standard for the free and prosperous world, where anyone can make it. Letting it fall to Liberals destructiveness will be showing the world that the US really isn't any better. For shame.

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  • TheSecretExit
  • 1 Points
  • 13:44:39, 6 November

It is already inexorably destined for utter ruin, and it's much too late to stop it.

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  • Branjoe
  • 4 Points
  • 07:23:33, 6 November

According to the NYT exit poll, Christie kept Republican defections to a minimum while causing a whopping one-third of Democrats to defect and vote for him. He must be doing something right.

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  • CarolinaPunk
  • 5 Points
  • 03:31:38, 6 November

In his victory Speech Christie seems to love attacking DC... not even subtle.

  • [-]
  • nealski77
  • 4 Points
  • 03:37:47, 6 November

Good, a straight talk like this can help revitalize GOP discussion going forward.

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  • Slippery_Slope_Guy
  • 6 Points
  • 03:19:50, 6 November

Thanks a lot Sarvis.

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  • CarolinaPunk
  • 6 Points
  • 03:22:02, 6 November

We have got to make sure we do Oppo on these spoiler libertarians who receive money from Democratic Money Bags. If you have to put them in a room with live boy or dead girl, so be it! ^^^I ^^^miss ^^^Lee ^^^Atawater.

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  • Slippery_Slope_Guy
  • 4 Points
  • 03:30:50, 6 November

Even Ron Paul (the eternal god king of Libertarians) was actively campaigning for Cuccinelli. Why couldn't Sarvis step aside?

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  • CarolinaPunk
  • 6 Points
  • 03:32:31, 6 November

This is why

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  • BubbaMetzia
  • 6 Points
  • 03:39:27, 6 November

Sarvis is basically a moderate Democrat who ran as a Libertarian just to get votes away from Cuccinelli so that McAuliffe could win.

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  • saxonjf
  • 2 Points
  • 07:21:26, 6 November

Virginia will suffer under Terry McAwful, and this betrayal to the principles of small government should be a reminder to Conservatives why the Libertarian party is dirty and dangerous.

It should also show members of the National Libertarian party that they are under extreme danger from being invaded by liberal interlopers who have nothing but Democratic Party interests in mind. Any libertarians reading this need to be taught that Democrats are absolutely the antithesis of small government and personal liberty. And allowing liberals to run under the guise of of libertarianism will only make government bigger and more intrusive.

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  • phdpeabody
  • 7 Points
  • 04:00:06, 6 November

Sarvis didn't spoil anything. Both sides polling show that he was a "protest" vote for both candidates, not a stolen vote for either candidate.

"A strong majority of Sarvis voters say that their support of the Libertarian is a form of protest against McAuliffe and Cuccinelli. Nearly seven out of 10 (68%) agree that they are lodging a protest by supporting Sarvis, while 29% say they are not lodging a protest. And if Sarvis’ name were not on the ballot next Tuesday, where would his supporters go? More than a third (37%) say they would vote for Cuccinelli, and nearly the same amount (38%) say they would not vote. Only 17% say they would vote for McAuliffe, suggesting Sarvis is hurting Cuccinelli more than McAuliffe."

Christopher Newport University Poll

So 20% (Net gain for Cuccinelli) of 29% (Not a protest vote) of 7% (Sarvis voters)... Sarvis pulled approximate 0.4% away from Cuccinelli.. who lost by over 2%

Edit: In other words, about 8,352 more Sarvos voters would have voted for Cuccinelli had Sarvos not run. In a race that Cuccinelli lost by 44,000 votes. It would have taken 5x as many votes for Sarvos to spoil the race.

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  • saxonjf
  • -4 Points
  • 07:19:48, 6 November

Yeah, you're probably one of those people who believe that Perot stole votes from Clinton, too.

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  • blatherskiter
  • -9 Points
  • 03:30:31, 6 November

Losertarians really piss me off. They say they throw away their vote "on principle" and to "make a statement." I hope their principles comfort them when McAullife takes away their assault rifles and jacks up their taxes.

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  • rjohnson99
  • 9 Points
  • 05:20:50, 6 November

Nice. Writing off a big chunk of other conservatives because you are mad at the outcome of an election.

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  • Toph_1992
  • 5 Points
  • 04:26:25, 6 November

> Losertarians really piss me off. They say they throw away their vote "on principle" and to "make a statement."

Libertarian here. I could say the same to facko conservatards. (even though I technically am a conservative)

You GOP worshipers put up bible thumping social fascsits like Ken Cuccinelli and you wonder why you lose.

>I hope their principles comfort them when McAullife takes away their assault rifles and jacks up their taxes.

The house in the state legislator is Republican so I don't see how he would do that. Unless your own party is now for banning assault rifles and jacking up taxes. (oh wait you guys are)

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  • blatherskiter
  • 0 Points
  • 05:07:38, 6 November

Social fascists? You losertarians are such... losers who freakout on the most petty issues. Cuccinelli wasn't going to touch abortion and there is already a Virginia constitutional amendment on marriage. What the fuck were you afraid of? That the governor wouldn't start meddling in social issues? I thought you losertarians were supposed to be for minimal interference.

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  • Toph_1992
  • 2 Points
  • 05:18:07, 6 November

>You losertarians are such... losers who freakout on the most petty issues.

It's you guys who are focusing on social issues. You guys continue the war on drugs, opposing gay marriage everywhere, opposing Roe v Wade when it was settled in 1973, etc. Young people at my college overwhelming support legalized weed and gay marriage. So trying to run on these issues is going to kill your party if you keep this up. The GOP will go the way of the dinasour at the rate you are going.

>Cuccinelli wasn't going to touch abortion and there is already a Virginia constitutional amendment on marriage.

First of all he helped implement along with Bob McDonald state sanctioned vaginal ultrasound laws in Virginia and second of all Cuccinelli would have blocked on going federal cases to legalize marriage equality in Virginia. But hey keep being the laughing stock of of America by nominating exteremist far right wing Tea party nuts to lose to Democrats.

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  • [deleted]
  • 2 Points
  • 05:46:11, 6 November

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  • Toph_1992
  • 1 Points
  • 06:02:50, 6 November

>I hope people start to notice that these ultra right wing candidates aren't good for the country.

Americans realize this, but do Republicans realize this?

I'm 21 year old bisexual atheist male, having to deal with college payments, work at a part time job, and consider myself a libertarian/fiscal conservative. But the second I see Cucinelli, Rick Santorum, or any of these other nut cases running I run as far as I can from the GOP/Tea Party.

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  • halakukhan
  • 1 Points
  • 06:05:37, 6 November

> VA is better off with McAuliffe

this is how I know you are a progressive concern troll.

>he doesn't hate women

straight out of the DNC play book!! Even though more Virginia women are pro life than pro abortion.

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  • halakukhan
  • 2 Points
  • 05:21:04, 6 November

don't put all libertarians in one box especially with these embarrassd Democrat left-libertarians who swarm /r/libertarian.

Polls show that almost all of Sarvis's voters were protest token voters and not Libertarians . Because he wasn't a libertarian. All major Libertarians have always been republicans and will remain in the future.

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  • halakukhan
  • 1 Points
  • 04:56:21, 6 November

> You GOP worshipers put up bible thumping social fascsits like Ken Cuccinelli and you wonder why you lose.

They vote for him because he isn't a democratic party plant without any real support.

Libertarianism is not a winning ideology its a fringe ideology. It can never win on its own thats why they need other conservatives.

edit: this is coming from a libertarian

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  • Toph_1992
  • -2 Points
  • 05:05:46, 6 November

>Libertarianism is not a winning ideology its a fringe ideology.

Not really. Most Americans are basically like me, socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I'm young college student, non-religious, just want smaller government in my personal live and economic life and end the wars overseas.

The more you guys tea party people who run as the anti-gay, anti-women, pro-war on drugs, anti-immigrant, anti-minorities, etc. candidate you are gonna keep losing moderate/independent vote, and especially young people. But hey keep nominating tea baggers so Democrats can keep winning. Tea party nuts are the problem, not us libertarians.

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  • halakukhan
  • -3 Points
  • 05:17:02, 6 November

> anti-minorities

Oh look a libtard using far left race peddling .

>anti-women

46% of Virginia women are pro life compared to 44% pro abortion.

> keep losing moderate/independent vote

They want to vote for people left wing on economics, you are deluding yourself if you think a substantial minority will ever care about the intricacies of libertarian issues.

Republicans have already compromised on Civil liberties and EConomics issues, they can't compromise anymore by alienating the social conservatives who are 20 times the voting bloc libertarians will ever be.

>teabaggers

top 3 Tea Parties are run by or were founded by libertarians and their agenda is still strictly fiscal and civil liberties(like freedomworks). It seems like you get your news from the DNC to not know even this basic fact.Wonder why these Libertarians don't talk about social issues?

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  • Toph_1992
  • 3 Points
  • 05:31:19, 6 November

>Oh look a libtard using far left race peddling .

Not a libetard. I'm just saying that running on the anti-amnesty for immigrants and supporting stop and frisk isn't gonna pave well for your electoral chances among the growing non-white minorities in America.

> 46% of Virginia women are pro life compared to 44% pro abortion.

I wonder how many of those "pro-life" women acutely want abortion and abortion in the cases of rape, incest and the life of the mother illegal like ken cuccinelli and E.W. Jackson

>Republicans have already compromised on Civil liberties and EConomics issues,

And that's why I don't vote Republican. The republican parties economic and civil liberties positions are basically Maoist-Stalinists. Republicans voted for and gave us the Patriot Act, NDAA, Medicare Part D, NSA spying, Romneycare, Iraq War, Afghanistan War, bank bailouts, etc. Not only are Republicans useless, you are part of the problem.

>they can't compromise anymore by alienating the social conservatives who are 20 times the voting bloc libertarians will ever be.

They are a declining bloc and will soon die out. At my college nobody here is even remotely a social conservative. In my case when we argued over the legalization of weed everyone took of the legalization side. Republicans and evangelicals under the age of 30 support gay marriage.

>top 3 Tea Parties are run by or were founded by libertarians and their agenda is still strictly fiscal and civil liberties(like freedomworks).

Funny how must of the Tea party politicians who are elected are basically the exact opposite and are huge big government statists and corporatists.

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  • halakukhan
  • -1 Points
  • 05:43:16, 6 November

> bank bailouts,

well they voted against it the first time around and the second time when it passed it only got some Republican votes.

>they are a dying voting bloc

pro life is a very large voting bloc that mostly votes on a single issue and even if I accept that they are dying out I'll take another 20 years .

>Tea party politicians who are elected are basically the exact opposite and are huge big government statists and corporatists.

Like Tea Party favorites Justin Amash and Thomas Massie? Face it the social conservatives are willing to compromise on some candidates even though they are a mega voting bloc but some very small numbers of puerile big L-libertarians aren't and thats why they'll become insignificant now because most of their libertarian voters will vote REpublican now like what happened after Nader, when the leftists stopped voting third party.

Also it must be pointed out almost all of Sarvis's votes were from non libertarian protest voters and thats why libertarians won't be considered a threat by the GOP Establishment, which is moving to the left on economics.

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  • Toph_1992
  • 2 Points
  • 05:57:24, 6 November

>well they voted against it the first time around and the second time when it passed it only got some Republican votes.

Tell that to PA Republicans who represent my area. All of them voted for bailouts. You also ignored the Patriot Act, NDAA, and NSA spying (Michele Bachmann even went out of her way to defend illegal spying on American citizens)

>pro life is a very large voting bloc that mostly votes on a single issue and even if I accept that they are dying out I'll take another 20 years .

There are just as many people who vote pro-choice only as pro-life. Although I do admit young people tend to be more pro-life than older generations, but also for things like gay marriage, legalized weed, end the wars, etc.

>Like Tea Party favorites Justin Amash and Thomas Massie?

They aren't members of the tea party.

>but some very small numbers of puerile big L-libertarians aren't and thats why they'll become insignificant now because most of their libertarian voters will vote REpublican now

I'm sick of the "lesser of two evils" argument. It's getting old. Every time a Republican is elected president they fuck the country up, commit war crimes, build bigger government, and wreck the economy. Why should I vote for Republicans who are basically Democrat lite on most issues?

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  • halakukhan
  • 0 Points
  • 06:02:16, 6 November

> They aren't members of the tea party.

they are you should look into FreedomWorks its a libertarian Austrian economics Tea Party and the most powerful Tea Party . Even though most that supported them were conservative Tea Parties.

The lesser of two evils apply differently in every case though.

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  • Slippery_Slope_Guy
  • -1 Points
  • 06:19:11, 6 November

> Most Americans are basically like me, socially liberal and fiscally conservative.

No they're not. Maybe your college peers...

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  • blanksblanks77
  • 3 Points
  • 03:48:42, 6 November

I read a little about the CO tax scam and want to congratulate them. It was so terrible I don't even like calling it a tax hike because it was so much more than that.

Also, you're really funny. Why aren't you more active in this sub as a mod?

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  • _nate_higgers
  • 4 Points
  • 05:08:37, 6 November

Haha that's true. But I think Rand is to far right for a lot of America and will be torn apart by the media.

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  • pinata_penis_pump
  • 5 Points
  • 05:22:00, 6 November

At this point, any Conservative will be torn apart by the media, because you know, all conservatives are domestic terroriststs, amirite??

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  • TheSecretExit
  • 6 Points
  • 06:06:08, 6 November

The Republicans need to realize that the media will never like them. They need to get past that.

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  • _nate_higgers
  • 5 Points
  • 05:27:21, 6 November

And the Tea Party is the KKK

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  • wartornglory
  • 5 Points
  • 06:04:01, 6 November

You'd be surprised the looks I get when I say i'm conservative in college. There are some hardcore Libs that can't even have a regular conversation with me since I'm a conservative. I literally must be Hitler... a fat, midwestern hitler

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  • pinata_penis_pump
  • 3 Points
  • 06:26:10, 6 November

How do you think I feel going to a liberal arts college in the Northeast?

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  • wartornglory
  • 2 Points
  • 06:43:03, 6 November

Pretty similar. Small liberal arts schools are breeding grounds for libs. Surprised there aren't more conservatives since I go to a catholic school. I don't know, our College Republicans chapter is seeing a boost in participation so that's nice!

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  • pinata_penis_pump
  • 1 Points
  • 13:23:37, 6 November

Yeah, there's a ton of trust fund kids that go to mine, so you'd think there would be more conservatives. Faculty are hardcore libs too.

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  • wartornglory
  • 1 Points
  • 13:56:59, 6 November

Its insane. We have had 2 democrats run in for congress that are either a prof or a trustee..it's bad, especially since I'm in the most conservative district in the state

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  • wartornglory
  • 1 Points
  • 13:57:01, 6 November

Its insane. We have had 2 democrats run in for congress that are either a prof or a trustee..it's bad, especially since I'm in the most conservative district in the state

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  • VanSensei
  • 2 Points
  • 04:57:23, 6 November

How did the secession vote fare in Northern Colorado?

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  • HeavyCargo
  • 2 Points
  • 05:09:14, 6 November

Right now, 5 yes counties and 6 nos.

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  • CarolinaPunk
  • -1 Points
  • 03:17:07, 6 November

So the shutdown + the money advantage probably cost us the VA Mansion i'd say, however all it took was two weeks of Obamacare coverage to destroy a 10 pt lead, and multi million Dem advantage in the Old Dominion. Yes Democrats, if this continues to get worse, you need to prepare yourselves, cause the GOP is going in Dry.

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  • blanksblanks77
  • 4 Points
  • 03:47:08, 6 November

I know right? I'm a VA resident who is kind of peeved with the government shutdown fiasco. I didn't think it at the time but this could have cost us the election. And this is despite Democrats bankrolling us and the GOP nearly ignoring an election they could have won.

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  • terrortot
  • 2 Points
  • 03:38:08, 6 November

DeBlasio's shellacking of Whatshisname in NYC is a great example of what happens when you run as a Fiscally Conservative Social Liberal -- you lose by a huge margin and people don't even remember your name.

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  • Slippery_Slope_Guy
  • 0 Points
  • 03:45:54, 6 November

We've all known for weeks De Blasio was going to win, but it still boggles my mind that NYC would elect a Communist mayor after all of the success of Rudy and Bloomberg (full disclosure: I hate Bloomberg's nanny state crap).

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  • terrortot
  • 1 Points
  • 03:53:31, 6 November

Turnout was really low. The GOP candidate ran a weak campaign and refused to shake things up. Voters weren't paying attention.

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  • BoneMD
  • 2 Points
  • 10:39:37, 6 November

To all those who wouldn't vote for Christie for not being "conservative enough," I really hope this makes you reconsider. People like Cruz cannot win the general election. Period. So, if you think Christie is a RINO or whatever, just ask yourself, is Hilary Clinton better? Because, that's who you're voting for if you vote against Christie. He's the only one who actually has a chance. A vote for anyone other than Christie in the primary is a vote for Hilary Clinton.

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  • Old-Hickory
  • -1 Points
  • 08:23:32, 6 November

looking at the front page or /r/politics is bizarre. Are we sure there were two gubernatorial elections today?