Drama in /r/WTF over a college diversity group holding a party that welcomes people of all races and colors to attend except for White people.
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Here are the drama-spawning comments that are buried child comments.
"ITT: White racists who don't understand why and how people of colour need to organize together, thus proving that people of colour need to organize together."
["There's no saying that a prejudice against white people can't exist. It just can't be labeled racism. The dictionary definition is simplistic and ignores the historical context and racial power structures that exist in America."]
(http://np.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/209zfd/washingtoncommunitycollegediversitygroup/cg1hgx5?context=3)
"The reason things like black/Hispanic caucuses in Congress, black student groups, and events like this exist is that POC, with the exception of certain Asians, are largely underrepresented in education, government, and similar groups. An interest group solely for white people is inherently racist because there isn't currently any institutional discrimination against white people, and the same cannot be said for POC."
"I'm probably going to get downvoted to oblivion, but this doesn't seem like a big deal for me. How is it different from, say, a women's support retreat that men aren't allowed to participate in. I mean, I get that the difference is that this is billed as an official function, but the idea behind it is kind of the same. People who see themselves as oppressed are going to be able to more freely speak their minds without members of the oppressive group there (which has nothing to with specific individuals)."
Edit: /u/Erikster found more drama about this in /r/Seattle.
http://np.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/209zfd/washingtoncommunitycollegediversitygroup/
309 comments submitted at 23:31:31 on Mar 13, 2014 by red321red321
The drama here is better than the drama linked. What a glorious way to celebrate our 100,000 sub milestone
My popcorn has been compromised. By more popcorn.
Caramel popcorn.
Wait, I'm white, am I allowed to call it that?
Popcorn of Colour.
Check your privilege.
Ugh.. Shitlord.
truly a poop prince, a caca count, a duke of doodoo
This thread was fantastic, unfortunately /u/DemonicBtch started purging her comments. Don't forget to hit up SRDD for the snapshots!
Edit: Here ya go! Hooray for bots!
She deleted her account!?!
LOL! Must have been pretty bad, going to go digging thru the snapshot.
Thanks for the heads up, incoming additional drama
Uh...you spelled her username wrong. It's /u/DemonicBtch, not /u/DemonicBitch.
Gracias senor, fixed
Guess she doesn't want people to see her problematic opinions.
~In4 her opinions weren't that problematic~
But this is reddit, so lol. Whatever.
Her opinions weren't really that problematic... Is it that hard to believe that people in minority groups might want safe spaces? And I don't know DemonicBtch's race, but if some minorities feel that it's necessary maybe you should just listen to them.
Sometimes racism is morally justified and serves useful purposes. I know that that sentence is going to be endlessly ridiculed as proof of SJW hypocrisy, but whatever, it's true.
That's the way it's been around SRD lately. You can save yourself some time and get your drama fix most days by just going to the comment section first.
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surely this won't spill over. lol
I feel so left out. Wanna argue with me? I'm a black bloke. You be white. You go first.
Fuk you we don't want your kind here.
Am I doing it right?
You racist son of a bitch. This is why we need separate water fountains!
Nooo, if we have separate water fountains, then the black one is going to be all dirty cause we can't keep anything in good order.
I'm not racist but I like lighting minorities on fire
YOU CAN'T JUST CALL PEOPLE BLACK!!!!!1
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Yup. I just walked into the butthurt flames of mount doom. Come for the drama, stay for the after party.
I just found it funny that the flyer said "no White people" but also said couples were welcome, which completely disregards the existence of interracial couples that include one White partner.
Oh that's easy. Whenever a white person and colored person get together, it isn't because the colored person wants to be with the white person, rather that the colored person submitting to the white person's privilege. If the colored person thinks the white person is attractive for some reason, it is because they are a victim of internalized institutionalized racism telling them white people are attractive, and nothing else.
I hate that I have seen people honestly make this argument, god fucking dam. Wait, you were being sarcastic, right?
This is the second time today seeing the "only institutional racism is real racism" canard being spouted. I'm absolutely baffled how that became the SJW/SRS definition of racism, especially given that even those social scientists who have written on that definition use it in terms of power in the microcosm in question not in terms of society writ large.
In other words: to the extent even the small number of people in social science who use "racism = prejudice + power" they mean power within the setting being analyzed. So, for example, an individual black college administrator can be racist to the extent he exercises his power in a discriminatory way.
Here, we're talking about the faculty and staff of a university. Even under that ridiculous conception of racism, they have the power (and have used their power) to be racist as hell.
> I'm absolutely baffled how that became the SJW/SRS definition of racism
Seriously? It's plainly obvious. It gives them a cognitive mechanism to enjoy their hate, because it allows them to pretend that their hatred isn't real hatred.
And an artificial moral high ground to stand on
It's doublethink. Plain and simple.
I try but I still don't quite understand how your ability to be racist is based on your race, when "race" isn't even supposed to be a real thing....
Moral relativism is fun isn't it.
I'm a social worker, and I value and hold dear principles of diversity and social justice... but I have yet to come across a scenario where its helpful for anyone to tell them they can or can't be racist, or they can or can't be a victim of discrimination based on race.
It really takes the willful ignorance of reality that you can only get from isolating yourself in a college classroom for decades.
Pseudointellectuals sure love using 1984 terms when it doesn't even apply.
They sure do, don't they. Go get 'em noob
That's a load of doubleplusgood
Oh just shut up already.
I'm sorry if I've offended you.
Redditors are the only people who can't take being criticized.
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Racism is racism, regardless of race.
How is that so hard to understand?
Just because it's your bigotry, doesn't make it suddenly okay.
>Just because it's your bigotry, doesn't make it suddenly okay.
That's the thing; it's their bigotry. They don't want to be accused of being racist like they accuse others, so they invent loopholes to justify themselves.
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It is good to see this sub is still sensible, downvoting the bigots and racists.
If only there was more of this across reddit, it would be a better place. Keep on keepin' on SRD'ers
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I love when "reverse" racism drama gets linked here. The head loops certain folks do to deny this stuff is racism is quite the stretch.
Nobody is denying it.
We're just baffled as to how people treat it as morally equivalent.
"Race-blind" egalitarians are lolworthy
There are definitely some people here denying it. Sort by controversial/open up hidden comments.
I recommend you look at DramaChameleon's post (which you already commented on) for proof of people denying/trivializing racism against white people.
.. you mean where he says white people can't dance?
That's seriously all you've got?
Dude racism is racism. Saying white people can't dance is literally the same as centuries of slavery, segregation, violence, and disenfranchisement.
You should see how enraged reddit gets when that one album titled "white people" gets reposted on /r/funny for the fiftieth time.
And yet only SRS cares when people make jokes about black people.
I like the second bullet point: "if you want to make a space for white folks to work on [fixing white folks] feel free." As though that's pretty much equivalent to people of color getting together to try to [fix white folks].
Just remember: this is about community building. As long as the community doesn't include one particular race, because that race would just foul the whole thing up. MLK would be proud.
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You know how to build an inclusive society ? Categorize and segregate people in order to "celebrate" differences. /s
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I think people forget is this was set up by the college's diversity and equality center. How can you talk about racism when you racially excluded a race of people ?
If you want to elimiate racism then the discussion has to be equal and be heard by everyone, that includes white people. The definition of racism is racially neutral and doesn't give one race of people an invisible blanket.
That's really funny coming from you. I hath tagged you moons ago and you seemed to have some very colorful opinions regarding race relations. You will do just fine on Reddit.
It never seems to fail: the people that get the most up in arms about anti-white shit are often the first to justify any other type of racism.
Where did he try to justify racism? It seemed he was condemning it.
Haha, read his other comments in this thread.
Dude is really racist towards black people.
He's saying the exact same thing...
A little ironic that you, a SRSer, would say that.
Do you have an actual argument against that post beyond diving into his posting history to look for ways to discredit him without actually addressing what he's saying?
I did not dive into his post history. I tagged him. I was merely pointing out the irony of his statement when he does not practice what he is preaching here. It isn't some sage knowledge that compromises have to be made on both sides.
So you don't have an actual argument against what he's saying, got it.
You say that like it's a bad thing. Oh I forgot, this is Reddit. If it wasn't you it would be someone else.
>You say that like it's a bad thing.
Well, yeah, it is. You're just doing the equivalent of calling someone names.
>Oh I forgot, this is Reddit. If it wasn't you it would be someone else.
Not quite sure what you mean by that, but I'm sure you think it's insulting.
I never called him names. If pointing out the fact that he's a self serving hypocrite irks you so much then by all means, continue your pedantic crusade.
And as for the second part, it means you don't know how to pick your battles. Should I translate it to Iambic pentameter since you clearly don't know when I'm calling someone names.
Reddit upvoting a racist because they agree with him. What a shock.
What.
A.
Shock.
Broken clocks, etc.
DAE hate blacks ?
But seriously, are you retarded ?
You are comparing reddit that has thousands of active members in a very generalized fashion. There are some amazing people here that have many opinions whether that person is male or female or the topic is tech, gaming or even fashion and movies, your a fucking asshole if you believe there's some conspiracy on reddit that everyone hates blacks.
I have experienced racism done by blacks through work and it's not fun when you need the money and being hounded by 10 black dudes for 8 hours a day attacking you emotionally and mentally.
Now fuck off idiot.
>You are comparing reddit that has thousands of active members in a very generalized fashion.
You mean the same way you put all blacks into your neat little box in the comment I linked? That generalization?
>your a fucking asshole if you believe there's some conspiracy on reddit that everyone hates blacks. I have experienced racism done by blacks through work and it's not fun when you need the money and being hounded by 10 black dudes for 8 hours a day attacking you emotionally and mentally. Now fuck off idiot.
There it is. A little prod and the hate comes flooding out. Tell me again how we need to come together and sing a unitary kumbaya :)
>You mean the same way you put all blacks into your neat little box in the comment I linked? That generalization?
I didn't generalize an entire population.
>There it is. A little prod and the hate comes flooding out. Tell me again how we need to come together and sing a unitary kumbaya :)
Nice, excuse racism. I can be a victim and still fight for equality you retard. You sound like a guy that will get his ass kicked then say "Thank you sir, may i have some more?"
Fucking children on this website, my god.
You did not generalize an entire population? You said blacks are the ones who spew hate speech now and are the racists. That is a generalisating you ignorant fool.
And I never excused your racism. You presented anecdotal evidence. Hey a bunch of white teenagers attacked me when I went to Hamilton Ontario because I looked at them funny. I can do this too.
> Nice, excuse racism. I can be a victim and still fight for equality you retard. You sound like a guy that will get his ass kicked then say "Thank you sir, may i have some more?" > Fucking children on this website, my god.
You are not fighting for equality though. You are incredibly close minded when its against blacks and then call for equality when it serves you so no. You are infact incredibly ignorant and a very big hypocrite.
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No, see, because racism is only "real" racism when it's practiced by white folks. Duh.
Don't you read tumblr at all?
> How can you talk about racism when you racially excluded a race of people ?
How can you talk about poverty when you exclude rich people?
How can you talk about disabilities when you exclude people without them?
How can you talk about blindness when you exclude people with sight?
When's the last time there has been a poor-person-only discussion of poverty? Hell, the demand is that the wealthy become more involved with trying to solve problems within impoverished communities, not keep the hands off.
I've never heard of a disability happy hour, so I can't speak to whether they exclude abled people.
I've never heard of a blind-person-only happy hour either.
The claim was that it's impossible to talk about racism without involving white people.
It was a rhetorical question aimed more at "how can you (with a straight face) claim to be talking about how to combat racism on campus while being hugely racist?"
It's not saying that the discussion is literally impossible, but that the discussion is hugely hypocritical. In the same way that one might ask "how can you talk about the best way to educate children if you're not a teacher" or "how can you talk about constitutional law if you think the Supreme Court is irrelevant?"
It's possible to do either of those things, the question is more aimed at "it's dumb to do so" than "you physically cannot."
I love how both your examples paint white people as the supreme authorities on racism. It's just too perfect.
Oookay, fine. Since you're not a fan of other examples of hypocrisy and silliness, I'll try again.
"How can you have a discussion of modern medicine when you claim that vaccines cause autism?"
"How can you be against Citizens United when you're in favor of Google going dark to oppose SOPA?"
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"People not accepting us and generalizing us is a huge problem for our community, I know let's hold a big meeting to discuss this and help other people accept us for who we are!"
"Ok but none of those people who don't accept us are allowed!"
"YEAH!"
Hm it appears that people truly think that groups like these are racist.
Firstly, the group is being held by the multicultural dept of the uni. The purpose isn't, as the name implies, the make a melting pot, but to instead to promote individuality. What does that mean? If we blended most colleges, it'd be white. It's a bit of a paradox, but ultimately, you need to understand that many minorities on campus can feel outnumbered, the butt of many stereotypical jokes for being the token X person, or other forms of alienation from being from a near totally different culture from the main culture. Wanting to meet people who share your struggles doesn't make you a racist. It really just doesn't..
Furthermore, white rights groups are pretty much all racist. Was it a tactful way to decline white prospective participants to make the group a safe space for minority students? Probably not. Is it wrong to want to set up such safe spaces? No. Is it racist to want to set up such safe places? No. It's not reverse racism in the same way a men's sexual violence group might decline prospective female participants or vice versa.
Is this as serious as rape? For some people, their skin can make them feel like enough of an outsider to the point where I wouldn't judge them if they felt so. For the larger majority of minorities, I wouldn't think so, but the point remains: it really isn't racist and it really doesn't take that much introspection or empathy to understand that.
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How many white racist motha fuckas you know gonna show up to a Diversity Meeting in the first place?
How many do you think are going to show up now?
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I see where you're coming from, but you're missing the point. Racism is defined as discriminating against and isolating a certain group of people based on their race, so if this group claims to be against racism, they can't openly practice racism.
>How can you talk about poverty when you exclude rich people?
Sure but some rich people do include themselves in issues of poverty.
>How can you talk about disabilities when you exclude people without them?
Yes, i've seen groups that have spoke about disabilities that didn't have disabled people. They talked about policy then got together with the disabled then did a event with them to see if they got things wrong. It's a point of not everyone is right in things but things just happen.
>How can you talk about blindness when you exclude people with sight?
I believe it's happened, i don't truly follow it but i can ask a few blind people that i speak to personally.
What's your point? They do talk about with white people, just not this once, because sometimes it's nice to be around people you know have experience the same thing as you.
"Hello margaret, i got called a nigger this afternoon let's discuss it"
Institutional racism occurs i don't deny it but a POC only event just shows that the institution isn't ready for diversity. Saying your not allowed in because of the color of your skin just throws racism into a racism discussion.
Wouldn't you want a even playing field where whites and blacks can come together to talk and see what can be done about racism ? I sure would. Hell some black and white coworkers and i talked for about an hour or so about racism in the workplace where it was even, one side talked and the other listened then it switched. That's a real discussion on racism.
If you can't have that style discussion then there's no fucking point.
>> This kind of thinking will never bridge the racial divide, only make it wider.
> Oh sure, that's exactly what people of colour need: more white people informing them of the best way to fight against racism. Please feel free to approach the nearest petson of colour and tell them what they are doing wrong. Thank you so much, Great White Saviour.
Oh bless his/her heart.
Oh god, it's a war field in here. Keep on keeping on people.
I do not understand why it is problematic to hold an event that is primarily intended for "people of color." A white person really doesn't belong in a "safe space" for racial minorities for the same reasons that I wouldn't belong in a "safe space" for female victims of sexual assault (because I am male and have never been victimized by any form of sexual abuse). The event is being held at a Washington community college (and, of course, the state of Washington is known for low levels of racial diversity), and it was designed solely for assisting minority students; although this may sound offensive, whites serve no purpose at that kind of meeting.
I do not understand why it is problematic to hold an event that is primarily intended for White people. A Person of Color really doesn't belong at a snobish Country Club for the ruling class for the same reasons that I wouldn't belong in a "safe space" for male victims of sexual assault (because I am male and have never been victimized by any form of sexual abuse). The event is being held at a Washington community college (and, of course, Seattle is known for the most liberal city in America.), and it was designed solely for assisting only white students; although this may sound defensive, People of Color serve no purpose.
Racism is racism no matter which colors you use to paint hate.
It's crazy that I live in Seattle currently and it's the place where I experience the most racism. I fucking hate this place I want to go back to Jersey where I belong. It goes to show that the title "liberal city" don't mean shit.
Come back to jersey dog! Been here my whole life couldn't imagine moving to the west coast. Jersey is GOAT
I wish, I'll have to wait till I'm older I'm only 17 right now.
Why'd you go from jersey to Seattle? Family moved or college?
Mom's job brought us out here. I miss South Jersey so bad dude.
That sucks man I feel for ya, I would just try to enjoy Seattle while you can and make it back to jersey when you're older and have more control over your life
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How not? If some white guys got together and wanted to discuss diversity without people of color being there, it would be the same as the other. I'm sure these "Country Clubs" talk about it and next you have Paul Ryan talking about urban men being lazy.
> If some white guys got together and wanted to discuss diversity without people of color being there
So you mean like the Republican National Convention? A PTO meeting? A Fortune 500 company board meeting?
Yes, that is a problem. Two wrong don't make a right. BTW of the two black senators of the US, Tim Scott is a republican and for Fortune 500, seven CEOs are black. Check out John W. Thompson from microsoft the 30 something biggest Co. in the country. It's not a white only club but more not enough blacks in the club problem. And sorry, I don't know what PTO is.
We can look at it at a different way also. I'm a member of the Green Party and I don't see many blacks leaning this far left for Social justice, Gender equality, Ecological wisdom and many other things.
>I don't see many blacks leaning this far left for Social justice, Gender equality, Ecological wisdom and many other things
There's a reason why blacks and Latinos are more focused towards STEM, literature, or social science fields in academia, rather than identity studies (which is one of the whitest academic fields).
They are very different, you are correct on that, but it is still a respectable position to be opposed to both on the principle that it is wrong to treat people differently based on their race.
You mean not being racist?
I agree, that is a very respectable position.
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While I think the wording of the original poster was dumb and offensive, I don't think trying to create spaces for a particular group is always offensive. It would be weird to go to an AA meeting if you don't have a drinking problem and people might feel a bit on edge if they knew you weren't "one of them" or whatever. I'm not allowed to go to Apple's shareholder's meeting, a fraternity meeting because I'm not in those groups and I'm irrelevant to their goals. Would you be offended if a gay group was meeting and said they preferred if straight people didn't attend? It's okay because they are a smaller, marginalized group, but a straight group meeting and excluding gays would be exclusionary because they are the majority group.
I get what you're saying and groups should be allowed to meet with their exclusive members, but this was an open invitation that specifically used race as a criteria to exclude people from attending. That seems a bit weird. What about people who have siblings or SO's that qualify for the meeting? Should they be excluded based on their skin color even though the discussions are relevant to them too?
So you are saying black people are compared to alcoholics and frat boys. Black people have a disease or are a bunch of young men with high Testosterone that want to party all the time? Nice.
Why would a bunch of gay people exclude straight people to talk about diversity? Since it's about only 10% gay people in the world. The more on their team to support them, that much better. Who would go to this "Happy Hour" gay bashers or gay supporters? Do you think if it said gay bashers not welcome would stop them coming if they wanted?
When have you ever seen a post that said gay people not meet at a group meeting besides the boy scouts that so many straight people are trying to overture?
Minorities should team up with friendlies to fight the oppressors.
Actually everyone is welcome at AA meetings.
It isn't problematic to hold events primarily intended for White people, those happen all the time. it's just that you don't call it "event only for White people". You call it a meeting for the University libertarian club, a "Frozen" cosplay event, or the Republican party convention. Nobody has a problem with those.
I think you're trying to make a joke, but it failed so hard. Those might be white-dominated groups, but they aren't putting NO BLACK PEOPLE on the flyers. This isn't just a de facto majority of non-white people, it's an example of intentional discrimination.
They don't have to put "no black people" because if they organize an event primarily for white people, demographics (and plenty of dog whistles in the case of the Republican party) will ensure that a majority of white people will show up. If you organize an event primarily for POC at this Community college, apparently you can't ensure that a majority of POC will show up unless you explicitly say for whom the event is intended. It's no different than organizing an event just for women students.
You should read this group's pledge: "I feel that negative actions toward any person based on race, ethnicity, gender, gender identity, religion, sexuality, ability, or any other factor are unacceptable." A women's group is up front about that it's exclusively about women's issues. This group, however, claims to be about bridging relations between races in their community. This isn't a club just for African Americans, or Indians, or Mexicans, or Puerto Ricans. It's a diversity organization--unless you're white. If you read the flyer, they're even keeping the location secret to make sure no white people can even them.
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>They don't have to put "no black people" because if they organize an event primarily for white people, demographics (and plenty of dog whistles in the case of the Republican party) will ensure that a majority of white people will show up.
Do you really think this is how white people operate? I won't deny there are racists, but damn, this isn't even giving the benefit of the doubt
The irony is that the worldview of people like u/Imwe is actually racist in itself. It ostensibly pushes the narrative that people of color can't be individuals with their own unique political ideologies and beliefs - that if you're black you can't vote Republican because that's not how you people are supposed to vote.
There is plenty of room to criticize me for the things that I've actually said. You don't have to make stuff up, or put words in my mouth. At least that would be the honest thing to do here. I've said nothing on how Black people behave, should behave, or anything about judging them. I'm talking about the Republican Party, and to be more exact, about the people who lead the Republican Party.
Doesn't the fact that over 90% of Black people vote Democratic Party, and that prolific Republicans use racist dog whistles to appeal to their base, mean anything to you?
It's good to know that every time I hosted a party and a POC didn't show up I was actually hosting a white pride rally.
This is how white people who organize events primarily for other white people often operate, yes. I never said that it all white people, or even a majority of white people, behave this way. However, I am saying that the Republican party on many levels is fond of this tactic.
I get the feeling you have... Opinions about white people.
No one organizes an event "primarily for white people". They organize an event for their friends, acquaintances, and people who share their interests, and given that there are far more white people in the US than black, most of those people will probably be white. Not racism; probability.
Nobody likes passive-aggresive people with feelings, Spartacus321. If you have something to say, say it.
Anyway, I'm willing to take you up on your challenge. If I find an example of an event/organization primarily intended for white people (men/women), without the expressed intention of being a White nationalist/supremacist organization, will you admit that I'm right? If I can find such an example, it is just a question of percentages right?
I wasn't passive aggressive: I said I thought you had "opinions" about white people. If you want me to be more blunt, fine. You sound like someone that thinks half of everything white people do is racist.
>If I find an example of an event/organization primarily intended for white people (men/women), without the expressed intention of being a White nationalist/supremacist organization, will you admit that I'm right?
If you could, I'd be curious and surprised. I'd be interested in what your opinion of what constitutes an "expressed intention" though.
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There are non-white Republicans just fyi.
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Are we being fucking brigaded?
This is like complaining about being excluded from a convention of cake bakers when you bake muffins. It's not relevant to you. Why the hell do you give a shit?
This isn't SRS. Most of us don't subscribe to the ridiculous notion that "POC can't be racist."
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>brigaded
Or maybe people just don't like racism, regardless of which race is being discriminated against.
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No, this is like having an organization dedicated to teaching people about accepting all sorts of cupcakes, but telling people who bake angel food cake that they aren't welcome at the meetings.
No, it's more like a convention on cupcakes, and tabling the issue of angel food cake, because the past thousand years of cupcake conventions have been dominated by angel food cake discussions.
However, if this group's pledge was "I feel that negative actions toward any cake based on flavor, bakery of origin, or any other factor are unacceptable," then you might think they were just a smidge hypocritical. Also, when the event flyer specifies that they're going to talk about angel food cake privilege, does it not make sense to include the bakers of angel food cake, a) so that they can help them to further understand their privilege, and b) because the purpose of the group is acceptance for all cupcakes? They aren't just tabling the discussion of angel food cake, they're saying that no one who bakes angel food cake is even allowed to know where the convention is.
You're really highly speculating on the purpose of this group.
Based on their actions, I'd say their purpose is to make minorities more visible. Which you can't do, you know, if you invite everyone and the majority predictably shows up and is the majority of the party.
It's math. How is this hard?
How the fuck do you "make minorities more visible" by excluding the majority of people from coming? If you want to "make minorities more visible" you racist moron, why not invite a large number of white people and then have minorities deliver speeches and discuss in panels about how racism has negatively affected them so the white people can then go "hmm, I'd never realized that that happened our that I did that" and then fix the issue? Oh, that's right, it's because you're a moron.
No speculation necessary. From their About Us: "The Diversity & Equity Center is meant to be a safe, hate-free space for ALL students. It is a place where we can connect with our own communities while learning from other communities. It is a place dedicated to respectful learning, community building, and the appreciation of diversity."
And the pledge that their members sign.
Like, I'm sorry that white people are the majority in this country (not actually, they can't help their skin color any more than minorities can). But this event (if you bothered to read the flyer linked in the popcorn thread) is for faculty and administrators who aren't white. It isn't about making minorities visible, it's about having a party at a secret location and excluding the majority.
Edit: fixed a link
That would require the assumption that angel food cake is inherently different than devil's food cake.
While true when applied to cake, when applied to human beings it is the very basis of racism.
The idea that people, human beings, should form groups by approximate skin tone is so disgustingly racist that it makes me sad to see how petty and small minded our world is.
Can we switch the argument from cake to buttered vs. salted or caramel vs. cheesy popcorn flavors?
Because right now I'm having trouble deciding on what kind I should be chowing down on while reading this thread
"my idiotic opinions are being downvoted! omg, le brigade!"
Yeah, it's really idiotic to highly suspect the motivations of people that give more than two shits about minorities speaking about minority issues and not inviting white people.
because god forbid everybody get along, regardless of race
The only way that analogy holds is if you're born either a muffin or cake baker and you're incapable of making the other just because of who your parents are.
They made a point to purposefully exclude white people. How in the world do you not get that? Are you fucking stupid??
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You're not being brigaded. This is reddit. This is how most redditors actually weigh the issue.
Your analogy only works if a group of only white people purposefully excluding minorities wouldn't be deemed a hate or supremacy group.
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>Are we being fucking brigaded?
I think so. A lot of ruffled feathers.
I'm sorry for helping to fill up your inbox, but we aren't being brigaded. This is just the typical view on subredditdrama when it comes to anything related to race, or sex.
Where's that shill calendar, I'm confused on whether or not /r/greatapes is on Thursdays.
you're right. we just ignore your openion because oipenions are for white people only.
why the hell do you give a shit about openions they are not for you anyway?
How is this a case of racism against white people?
So what you're saying is"minorities are too weak to stand up for themselves if a white person is around. As a white person, I should protect them against other white people because they can't do it themselves, much like a dog or other stray animal." Typical social justice warrior bullshit.
Oh, and stop using the term "people of color", it's condescending to those of us you're referring to.
> I do not understand why it is problematic to hold an event that is primarily intended for "people of color."
It's not. It's problematic part comes when they deny white people entry.
> A white person really doesn't belong in a "safe space" for racial minorities for the same reasons that I wouldn't belong in a "safe space" for female victims of sexual assault
The reason a male shouldn't be allowed into to a safe space for female victims of sexual assault is because they're trying to cope with a major trauma where irrational fear and anxiety is completely acceptable during that healing process.
On the other hand white people don't make the space unsafe for minorities, especially out of the population of the employees of a slightly more liberal then average university. So in this case it's divisive with no actual benefit beyond playing into the segregationist idea that "race mixing" is a reasonable cause for tension, or even a trauma, which all minorities need relief from.
The flyer is talking about people who work at a university. Is it such a burden for educated, middle to upper-middle class people to be integrated? If not then why does that argument magically gain ground when those people are educated, successful minorities?
It's pretty telling that the only thing reddit can universally agree on being racist, is someone wanting a conversation about minority experiences to be dominated by minorities.
Oh, and Spike Lee.
When was the last time there was an event that was deliberately excluding minorities voices? To the best of my knowledge no such event has been held recently that hit the news and I would say 100% reddit would cry racism over it(rightfully so). The issue from that angle hasn't been in the conversation on reddit because it hasn't happened recently.
You can look at how reddit reacted to Russia anti-gay laws for an analogous situation. Russian government excludes gay people from protections and what are considered basic human rights and gets pretty much universally(in so far as I saw) decried as homophobic. If an event tried to deny minorities basic access in to a talk then I would think it fair to say reddit would react in a similar way.
But... but... my opinion on how black thug culture is terrible simply must be discussed at the NAACP.
Something something free speech, racism, and other myopic ignorant bullshit.
Because inviting white people will just naturally result in that.
http://i.imgur.com/LRz2r.gif
> myopic ignorant bullshit.
all you have posted ITT
This is the worst kind of discrimination: the kind that effects me!
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Yep, that's the way to bring about racial tolerance: by being intolerant towards another race because their experiences are different.
Jesus christ you have racial tolerance issues.
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You just negatively generalized an entire racial group and support/rationalized segregation. You really need to ask how so?
Are you joking?
America is dominated by white people. Every position of power is dominated by white people. Every avenue of propagation of speech is dominated, also, by white people.
And yet, saying a fact like "yo, white people dominate conversations pretty much all the time" is fucking racism. Not the white people actually dominating conversations and having all the power, but observing it is what makes it racism.
It's like quantum fucking racism, man: you have to observe it before it's racism.
Just because other people are racist doesn't mean you can't be, too. Discrimination isn't a pendulum, traveling in one direction until it stops and goes in a different direction. Instead, it is closer to waves crashing against a shore: there is a general direction to them, but you can't argue that there are currents moving in other ways, and even opposite of the main flow.
Again, not denying anything about what is and is not racism. I'm talking about priorities. Nobody gives a shit that some party didn't invite white people. It's inconsequential in the scheme of things.
No, actually, the mad it generated is ironic as fuck.
> It's inconsequential in the scheme of things.
How do you feel about trans* rights?
>No, actually, the mad it generated is ironic as fuck.
Ironic that you're the one throwing a temper tantrum here.
Self-awareness, people. Clap-clap
Honestly, it's your use of the word dominate that fucks it all up for ya. It suggests white people are actively controlling all of that and denying any of it to other groups. Which simply isnt true. You could probably leave everything else and swap dominate for...idk..."hold" and it'd be far less racist and inaccurate.
Anyone in this thread that expresses sympathy about the diversity group's actions and intentions has been downvoted to shit. The thread being discussed is even worse. Reddit, with a primarily white male userbase, is burying anything that disagrees with their opinion that not inviting white people to this is the worst thing ever. How is that not dominating the discussion? You're even telling /u/beanfiddler to modify her language. But you're not dominating the discussion, no. Perish the thought!
\>people upvote racist shit
REDDIT IS SO RACIST REDDITORS ARE SCUM
\>people downvote racist shit
REDDIT IS SO RACIST REDDITORS ARE SCUM
Yeah, my point is that it's not racist. But totally misrepresent what I said, good for you.
You should totally put that in /r/showerthoughts.
I'm white, so I honestly don't give a shit. It's a squabble between white people, like everything on reddit.
I just highly suspect the motivations of people who give two shits about a minority group discussing minority issues and not inviting white people. Oh no, someone who doesn't want my predictable opinion that they've been hearing for centuries in the middle of their forum? Must be racism!
No, it's fucking pragmatism. If a group has a reputation for hijacking the topic of conversation to make it all about them, instead of what the group actually wants to talk about, you don't invite them anymore.
It's the same reason Democrats don't invite Republicans to speak at their national convention -- nobody there gives a shit about pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps and guns.
>It's the same reason Democrats don't invite Republicans
Well Democrats don't ban Republicans from attending. Big difference.
Normally I would agree with you (hell you're at +7 which is more than I've upvoted most people so normally I do agree with you), but I think there's a significant difference between not inviting a group to a conversation and actively barring them from entry.
With the latter, you're discouraging people who might otherwise be interested in your cause from participating. Furthermore, you're reducing a person's entire life experience--struggles they might not have been through themselves, but have seen friends or family members deal with--to the color of their skin. That seems pretty discriminatory to me.
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Sorry but we disagree on your second point there. A space that's more white than not due to current demographics is not the same thing as a white person space. You're conflating incomparable things to support your position.
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Well, the tolerating of races, and your issues with that.
Internalised racism over here.
There's a certain common sense about what you're saying but from a historical perspective the opposite has consistently been true. Racism is this black box that people see the effects of and rarely look inside. The fact that, as you say, there are some things that POC just "get" is all the more reason to bring different perspectives together. All the people involved can benefit from exploring the edges of what they intuit to figure out what's real and what's just been left unsaid because it's the hymn of the converted that you're hearing.
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People have a knee-jerk reaction to anything discriminatory.
Same reason why so many people are upset about Affirmative Action.
Some people don't agree with discrimination, something you should maybe look in to.
You mean people are ignorant to context? Gotcha.
Whatever excuse you want to use, bigot
Oh you guys are just precious!
"Uh oh, I'm making a fool of myself, gotta use the vaguest word ever to clumsily cover my tracks!"
Vague? There was nothing vague in my comment.
If you seriously think that having a safe space for a minority is in any way comparable to legally enforced discrimination well then lol you our schools suck.
>If you seriously think that having a safe space for a minority is in any way comparable to legally enforced discrimination
No, I'm not saying that. Hardly anybody (except for the few WR crazies) is saying "this is [le]terally worse than slavery!!1!", but you awfully want people to have that opinion.
You're reallllly trying hard to make enemies here.
People in the linked thread are treating that act of discrimination like it's the absolute worst thing ever.
Selective empathy is pretty apparent here.
Then inference and reading comprehension are not your strong suits. I'm not even white but that definitely wasn't the vibe I was getting from the thread.
Look at how much the word "segregation" is thrown around.
It's an insult to actual historical instances of segregation.
How the hell do people think this is some kind of segregation against white people?
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>No, this is plain old segregation. It's fine to have clubs that are dedicated to supporting poc, but this really takes it too far.
The horror.. The horror
Will white people ever recover? Only time will tell.'
How about we don't mock people's race regardless of their color. Even if "white people can't experience racism" making light of someone for their race will only bred animosity.
Who's arguing that white people can't experience racism?
If I'm black and I hate my neighbor because he's white is that not racism?
There are a TON of SRSers in this thread, and it's a core tenet of their belief.
Who's mocking race?
"Will white people ever recover" was said in a sarcastic tone. You're dismissing people based on their race. Again, it's not the most serious thing in the world in this instance, but surely you can see why it's not a good thing. It only serves to divide.
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Please tell me that was an intentional HoD reference.
Haha, I saw Apocalypse Now before I read HoD, so I always think of Brando saying it. But both are great.
Pretty sure I saw this on /r/conservative too.
ITT very sensitive white people with hurt fee fees.
ITT
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