Hideo Kojima on Quiet's character design - "At this point though, just looking at the design of the characters and having concerns is pointless." (ign.com)

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37 ups - 5 downs = 32 votes

33 comments submitted at 13:50:43 on Dec 3, 2013 by riomhaire

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  • mangopuddi
  • 18 Points
  • 17:13:33, 3 December

I don't see how this is such a surprise to everyone. He deserves the criticism, but all these reports seem to think it is somehow shocking that he would have a sexualized character in the MGS franchise. It's not! There's plenty of precedent:

The ass watching in MGS.

The constant creepshots of EVA in MGS3.

The photoshoots in MGS4.

The pedobait "Date with Paz" mission/sexual assault simulator in MGS:Peace Walker

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  • TalkingRaccoon
  • 5 Points
  • 19:33:19, 3 December

I wasn't familair with "Date with Paz" so I googled it and the first result was "how to make paz take off her clothes" x.x

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  • mangopuddi
  • 8 Points
  • 21:21:47, 3 December

Yep. If Snake says the right stuff they have sex. She's supposedly 16 in the game, but she looks a hell of a lot younger. 16 is plenty creepy on it's own though.

However, it can get a lot worse than that.

Trigger Warning

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  • Box-Boy
  • 4 Points
  • 22:00:04, 3 December

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  • SuchPowerfulAlly
  • 3 Points
  • 00:54:31, 4 December

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  • riomhaire
  • 3 Points
  • 01:23:01, 4 December

You can also "zoom in" on her the first time she's introduced in a cutscene which causes her clothes to disappear. You can do the same for at least one other female character later as I recall.

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  • SuchPowerfulAlly
  • 2 Points
  • 01:45:01, 4 December

Was the other one Amanda or Strangelove? I honestly forget, but I'd say probably Amanda.

When it happens with Paz, it's supposed to be under the guise of Snake noticing her injured leg or some such IIRC, but there's so many other ways they could have done that.

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  • Box-Boy
  • 2 Points
  • 21:53:29, 4 December

Just googled it and yeah, you're right - I must have only unlocked it afterwards due to not completing missions fast enough.

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  • TimothyVH
  • 3 Points
  • 20:22:30, 4 December

Don't forget naked Raiden after the interrogation.

And the crotch grabbing in mgs2 (by the president) & mgs3 (by Volgin)

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  • Linksawake
  • 2 Points
  • 06:49:26, 4 December

WOAH WOAH WUT? Is this peacewalker or portable ops?

I know there is a scene in peacewalker where you can zoom in on Paz' wounds, I personally figured the intent was to shock you about the war stuff.

So is this in peacewalker or portable ops because portable ops is earlier. And I'm confused - thats pretty bad, I normally give Kojima a free pass on quirk but uh o_0 thats not quirk... thats creeeeeepy as eff

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  • riomhaire
  • 1 Points
  • 12:25:19, 4 December

It's in Peace Walker. It's not even a good mini game aside from the pedoness. Not that any of the gameplay in Peace a Walker was good. That game was just layered disappointment.

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  • Linksawake
  • 2 Points
  • 12:28:21, 4 December

WUT WUT WUT, I am loving Peace Walker so far :| Please tell me there is more context to this. Wut do u mean minigame?

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  • riomhaire
  • 1 Points
  • 13:03:26, 4 December

Sorry obviously that was just my opinion of it. Don't let it influence your enjoyment. I get a bit worked up over Kojima for some reason as this thread is evidence to. Here's a video of the date minigame though. I don't think it has any spoilers in it. You just basically spam positive voice commands for a while and then climb into the "love box" item with her. You can also optionally harass, threaten or attack her instead.

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  • Talksiq
  • 11 Points
  • 22:49:24, 3 December

Criticism comes before release: "You're judging too early!!!"
Criticism comes after release: "Too late to fix it, we'll do better next time."

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  • KyriarchyEleison
  • 26 Points
  • 16:07:58, 3 December

If there's anything Hideo Kojima can be trusted to do, it's explore fetishized character design in a non exploitative fash-

Oh, you mean the Hideo Kojima who put in a camera mode to MGS4 so you could take sexy photos of women whose lives you take and made an entire game play section of a title revolve around staring at a woman's ass

Yeah no. Fuck off Kojima.

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  • Box-Boy
  • 3 Points
  • 17:44:03, 3 December

Wait, what title had the ass staring?

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  • KyriarchyEleison
  • 1 Points
  • 18:06:19, 3 December

MGS 1 or 2. Maybe 2? I can't recall off the top of my head.

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  • DannyMcGeek
  • 8 Points
  • 18:23:02, 3 December

MGS 1. In one sequence you had to look for Meryl by hiding and staring at the soldier with the pronounced hipsway in their step.

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  • Box-Boy
  • 3 Points
  • 22:03:56, 3 December

Ah, thanks! I never played one - my only experience with it comes from reading the summary of it in two in the HD colletion plus osmosis via seeing it talked about online. That's... kinda gross, really.

(like it could conceivably NOT be, but I really don't trust Kojima to have done it even remotely well after Policenauts/the B&B stuff/the Paz date)

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  • nnneku
  • 10 Points
  • 21:54:06, 3 December

ironic that a stealth game is incredibly unsubtle with its misogyny

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  • PasquachooSealion
  • 16 Points
  • 15:49:43, 3 December

"We wouldnt put a hot girl in there without a reason" :|

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  • poffin
  • 15 Points
  • 16:48:23, 3 December

"Give us some respect here, we worked really hard to find an excuse to make a revealing sexy lady!"

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  • riomhaire
  • 16 Points
  • 22:01:42, 3 December

There's this argument that always come up with stuff like "Well you see it makes sense that she runs around naked all the time she's actually a cat magically transformed into a woman" and "Of course Zelda gets kidnapped she's the holder of the Triforce of Wisdom and the bad guy always wants to take it off her and needs to kidnap her for that."

And I just can't wrap my mind around it. Like. I can feel my brain grinding to a halt to try and follow this reasoning. It's as if they don't realise what fiction means and that these things were made up by someone in other to facilitate certain goals. It's as if they think that you're denying facts or history by ignoring the fluff that was made up to justify the tropes, plots or images that are being decried.

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  • poffin
  • 8 Points
  • 22:39:58, 3 December

Exactly! Finding more creative reasons to shoehorn female characters into the same tired gender roles isn't laudable in any way.

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  • riomhaire
  • 13 Points
  • 16:05:44, 3 December

That from the guy who had the "Beauty and the Beast" bosses in MGS4.

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  • NoxiousDogCloud
  • 5 Points
  • 16:37:04, 3 December

thefuq

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  • riomhaire
  • 12 Points
  • 19:13:36, 3 December

There isn't really any proper context for it either. You defeat the bosses and the women piloting fall out of their power armour stuff in skin tight catsuits (Kojima originally wanted them to be nude but didn't want the game's age rating to be increased) and then try to hug you to death for no reason at which point you have to kill them again. If you take out a camera while they're doing that this photo shoot mode happens for no reason. Also then after you kill them the arms dealer who isn't really important except as an in-game shop calls you up and just infodumps their torture porn backstories that also have nothing to do with the actual story of the game but Kojima wanted to shove in somewhere.

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  • SapphireAndIce
  • 5 Points
  • 19:25:53, 3 December

I was watching along, thinking "What's wrong with this, those mech suits look pretty badass

random photoshoot

Oh..... oh.

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  • NotSammiches
  • 19 Points
  • 15:56:40, 3 December

"Clearly she's hot as a result of her character's needs, not our sexual fantasies."

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  • OthelloNYC
  • 8 Points
  • 16:42:46, 3 December

I don't get where he assessed many people wanted to cosplay as her if he is saying the concerns came too quickly. Did he do cosplay market research before revealing the design?

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  • acidityregulator
  • 4 Points
  • 00:49:01, 4 December

The funny thing about that is that this really doesn't look like an outfit the majority of cosplayers would have a good time with. The designs I've seen cosplayed the most are the good looking yet simple ones that can also function as actual clothing. They couldn't even wear a bra in this costume.

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  • OthelloNYC
  • 2 Points
  • 07:04:58, 4 December

It looks like some of the outfits I saw at comicon, but I get you.

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  • 1338h4x
  • 3 Points
  • 06:35:57, 4 December

dammit Kojima, shut up and go make me a new Boktai already