Moving forward from the witch hunt of AgentLame (self.tech_mods)

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3 ups - 1 downs = 2 votes

We all know that /u/AgentLame is being witch hunted by a crowd of idiots right now. They really don't care why they are witch hunting him. It's was Friday and they were bored. Some guy ran around with a some screen shots of a mod mail discussion with him where AL made a joke about the guy working for Tesla Motors, and they decided to believe the joke was serious.

Every time something like this happens I get disappointed in the Reddit community as a whole. I've been witch hunted previously myself. It is never fun for the person they decide to hunt.

We have a rule where we remove submissions about Tesla motors that we put in place back in November, because most of the submissions about Tesla cars aren't really technology related. They are about current fluctuation in stock prices, or minor news items with regard to the brand and stuff. There was a fire in a Tesla car back then, where it was just a new story about a fire in a car. If there was a news story about a Cadillac that started on fire, we wouldn't consider that a Technology story. It might be a good story for a news-subreddit, but not for a technology subreddit.

We use Automoderator to remove these stories because wee lack moderators right now. A lot of us are not on-line dealing with the day to day mod mail, submissions and spam queues. That means there is too much work for the remaining few moderators who are active.

That said, if anyone ever sent us a mod mail asking us to approve a story that was about the technology behind the Tesla car, I know we would have approved it.

So, all that said.... I propose that in a few days we make a mod announcement (with the /u/Technology_mod account) where we outline why the Telsa articles were removed (lack of moderator presence) and tell everyone that we are going to be adding new moderators soon. When we add mods, that we will then remove the "Tesla" keyword from the automod configuration, and that we will try to be more attentive to the needs of the community.

I made a thread with the 39 moderator applications we got. That was a lot of cut and pasting. Which makes it sound a lot easier to do than it really was.

I think we need to add a good 10 moderators. At least ten. Maybe we could look to add ten, and then add another ten a month later. This subreddit is really large now. And having active moderators present would be a very good thing for us.

I don't believe that we should make any changes to the automod configuration until we actually get new mods on board.

Okay, that's my plan.

24 comments submitted at 09:09:07 on Mar 29, 2014 by davidreiss666

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  • Skuld
  • 3 Points
  • 12:12:16, 30 March

I made a feedback post with some FAQs and a bit about new moderators - http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/21qptp/anoteinregardtorecentevents/

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  • davidreiss666
  • 1 Points
  • 17:04:00, 30 March

Just woke up.

I was waiting until we had some consensus back here first. Which we didn't seem to have.

At the very least I think you should have used the TechMod account and not your own. I see you getting down voted t hell in some of that.

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  • anutensil
  • 0 Points
  • 13:43:50, 30 March

Did you check with anyone before posting it? What made you think it was okay to do this?

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  • Skuld
  • 1 Points
  • 13:45:17, 30 March

No. I made it based on everyone's comments in this thread.

Apologies if I stepped out of turn.

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  • anutensil
  • 0 Points
  • 13:58:46, 30 March

I request that you remove the line concerning inconsistancy in moderation. That subject has not been fully examined. You're a bit premature in offering a definitive reason.

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  • Skuld
  • 1 Points
  • 14:08:12, 30 March

No problem, removed:

> If there seems to be any inconsistancy in moderation, it's because we're understaffed, and things slip through.

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  • anutensil
  • 0 Points
  • 14:48:52, 30 March

Thank you, Skuld.

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  • anutensil
  • 0 Points
  • 14:04:14, 30 March

Also, please remove this: We'll be looking to recruit a larger mod team from the community in the near future, and I'd love to get any feedback on the rules or anything related in this thread.

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  • Skuld
  • 1 Points
  • 14:11:25, 30 March

I've changed it to:

> I'd love to get any feedback on the rules or anything related in this thread.

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  • anutensil
  • 0 Points
  • 14:15:03, 30 March

No. Please remove that.

  • [-]
  • Skuld
  • 1 Points
  • 14:29:57, 30 March

Ok, done.

Q did want feedback on the rules though.

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  • anutensil
  • 0 Points
  • 14:35:56, 30 March

I doubt that this is the manner he envisioned.

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  • anutensil
  • 0 Points
  • 14:28:49, 30 March

http://us.reddit.com/r/techmods/comments/1zskoh/surveyon_rules/

You are jumping the gun.

  • [-]
  • qgyh2
  • 2 Points
  • 20:52:37, 29 March

>We have a rule where we remove submissions about Tesla motors that we put in place back in November, because most of the submissions about Tesla cars aren't really technology related. They are about current fluctuation in stock prices, or minor news items with regard to the brand and stuff. There was a fire in a Tesla car back then, where it was just a new story about a fire in a car. If there was a news story about a Cadillac that started on fire, we wouldn't consider that a Technology story. It might be a good story for a news-subreddit, but not for a technology subreddit.

I don't think we should be removing stories automatically on Tesla.

>So, all that said.... I propose that in a few days we make a mod announcement (with the /u/Technology_mod account) where we outline why the Telsa articles were removed (lack of moderator presence) and tell everyone that we are going to be adding new moderators soon. When we add mods, that we will then remove the "Tesla" keyword from the automod configuration, and that we will try to be more attentive to the needs of the community.

I don't think we should do this. It seems odd, banning a word, and using it as a reason to add more mods.

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  • qgyh2
  • 2 Points
  • 20:54:01, 29 March

Before we add new mods please lets discuss rules and get some feedback from users also.

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  • DrJulianBashir
  • 1 Points
  • 14:43:35, 29 March

Thanks for this. One question though. Why wait a few days to make the announcement? Why not do it now?

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  • davidreiss666
  • 2 Points
  • 18:27:23, 29 March

I just woke up after putting these two threads up last night. I had been thinking about the witch hunt of AL pretty much all day long.

I had sent the Admins the names of user some users I saw make ban-worthy statements toward him. Thankfully, those people are now shadow banned. I know that I felt abandoned when stuff like that happened to me. And I wanted to try and help him. So, reporting people to the admins and thinking about a way out was what I did.

Now, to address your point directly:

  1. I am hoping we could come to an agreed upon consensus first.
  2. I am also hoping that the witch hunt will die down and we can have a more rational discussion with users. Cooler heads can then prevail.

Those are my thoughts.

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  • DrJulianBashir
  • 1 Points
  • 20:40:28, 29 March

I think putting it out there now might actually take some of the wind out of the witch hunt sails.

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  • anutensil
  • 1 Points
  • 03:32:12, 30 March

I agree.

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  • agentlame
  • 1 Points
  • 17:09:08, 29 March

Sounds good to me. In the meantime, as I said in mod mail, we should try and keep trolling to a dull roar in Tesla threads for the next few days.

Also, I apologize for spamming that Elon Musk submission this morning. I had just woke up with a hangover and a mess on an inbox. That was a bad call and bad use of moderator status.

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  • anutensil
  • 0 Points
  • 13:42:22, 30 March

How was it decided that skuld was going to write a post for the front page of /r/technology representing us all?

Who saw this post before it was submitted?

  • [-]
  • Skuld
  • 2 Points
  • 14:04:05, 30 March

Sorry Anu, I used my best judgement as a moderator for the situation.

In my time here, every moderator discussion has always petered out without concensus or action.

I don't remember a time when anyone here has made a moderator post.

David's post has been up here for 1 day, and the drama started 2 days ago. Realistically, nothing else was going to be done.

Is there anything in the post you disagreed with or would like added? I don't think I've made up anything new, everything is from this subreddit or mod mail.

Do you think it would be a good idea to take it down?

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  • anutensil
  • 0 Points
  • 14:11:08, 30 March

A mod functioning unilaterally is what got us into this Tesla mess. No matter your good intentions, you choosing to do this, once again, unilaterally, is a bit ironic.

Did you not read this comment by q?: 'It seems odd, banning a word, and using it as a reason to add more mods.'

Yet, that's exactly what you did with your post, though you say you based your post on the discussion back here.

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  • Skuld
  • 1 Points
  • 14:13:14, 30 March

Fair enough, I agree.