I've had enough (self.short)

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32 ups - 15 downs = 17 votes

I've had enough of this, I honestly don't give a rat's ass anymore. I'm going to live my life the way I want it, I'm sick of playing mindless games, tired of having to prove myself time and time again and trying to change who I really am just to get a freaking date, just to get what some guys get with no effort at all.

I've had it. I accept my destiny as a short man, to be alone. No more introspection, there's nothing wrong with me, but it is you and your discrimination disguised as a 'preferences' that is everything wrong with the world. If all I can get are sloppy seconds then no, I am not settling for that.

I will enjoy my money, eat what I want whenever I want, do whatever the hell I want with my time, play as many video games as I want to, drink as much as I want to, travel as much as I want to wherever I want to, and if I'm horny I'll get an expensive escort, if I'm lonely I'll pay for the GFE. I have a roof over my head, I have a steady job, I have savings. I'm never going to be rich but it doesn't matter anymore after 30 years of wallowing and wondering why I am so undesirable and trying to change who I really am, I accept my destiny. It is time to live the way I want and can.

Love?, Marriage?, Kids? Not for me anymore, I will die alone but at least I'm free.

/rant over

56 comments submitted at 00:10:34 on Dec 24, 2013 by fedupthrowaway2013

  • [-]
  • FacelessRed
  • 3 Points
  • 12:40:59, 24 December

I only came across this Subreddit by way of accidentally seeing someone else comment in it. I am unsure if OP is even posting in this thread anymore but In a lot of ways I can relate. But there is one Key difference: I can't say that I've given up.

All these ridiculous social constructs, people always feeling entitled to whatever treatment, or people requiring some physical asset I cannot hope to achieve; sure I've washed my hands of it, but I haven't mentally neutered myself just yet.

Oh and I've been through all the self esteem crushing analysis to my situation. Whether it be based on race, height, or what have you. Somehow though, a few times, I've managed to find people who actually were able to look beyond my height. Unfortunately given my lack of experience and general shyness I've more often than I care to admit missed my opportunity (A lovely mix of shyness, apathy, and every ones expectation for me the male to make the move first).

So my advice? Well it's not far off from what you said; don't expect things to go your way. I know things don't for me, but if they happen to somehow work out, at least then maybe you will be willing to face the possibility that you may be okay. It's hard not to be negative, but try to remember new people in your life don't know a thing about you and it's up to you to let them know if they want to know.

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  • mike5f4
  • 8 Points
  • 00:21:42, 24 December

> just to get what some guys get with no effort at all.

I think that accounts for very few if any men at all.

I don't understand all of your problems, but why don't you give us more information about yourself and see if some of us can help. Did you just breakup with someone by any chance? Is that why you feel this way?

Don't get me wrong, I think most men feel this way at times in their life. But in my case, it was not height related. Just general life disappointments.

  • [-]
  • fedupthrowaway2013
  • 6 Points
  • 00:45:30, 24 December

I'm the same height as you are, if you've had success then congrats but it hasn't worked out the same for me. For many years I kept wondering why on earth I was so undesirable, I never considered myself "short" since my dad was a short man too, I considered myself average, it never occurred to me that I was short, even when most of my friends were tall. For many years I tried to improve myself to find out what was so wrong with me, why I kept getting rejected time and time again, whilst some of my friends who were total losers kept getting girls throwing themselves at them, I had to try HARD just to get a girl to notice me, these guys didn't have to try at all.

I kept wondering , was it my breath, do I have body odor? I became obsessed with smelling nice and hygiene, was it my clothes? I started to buy expensive clothes that matched my style, was it my attitude? I started to work on my personality to have a cool and relaxed attitude going on...nothing, absolutely nothing I did ever worked, no results whatsoever, nothing changed. I had to sit there and watch all my high school friends nail every single one of my crushes in high school. It wasn't until many years later me and a friend (over 6 feet tall) were having drinks at a pub and I approached a girl who I was into (must have been less than 5'0) and she completely rejected me, we both laughed it off and kept drinking, later that night the same girl started heavily flirting with my friend out of nowhere (she threw herself at him basically), my friend asks her why she rejected me and she said 'because he is a midget'. I sort of laughed it off but couldn't stop thinking about it for days, finally after all these years I finally had a reason, I realized I was short.

Looking around on the internet I encountered height ism for the first time in my life, I never even knew this was a thing. I didn't realize height was so important to women. This revelation has since screwed with my confidence and self esteem like no other thing ever. I finally understood that no matter what I do I will be deemed undesirable by 90% of females. I have been trying to stay positive, whilst accepting reality, have started approaching girls tried to maintain my confidence levels but nothing has worked, the only women who are interested in me are single mom's and women over 30 who have been pumped and dumped by the tall dudes and are now looking for a nice guy to settle for. I rather be alone forever than be that guy, I'm sick of playing a game I will never win at.

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  • asurais
  • 6 Points
  • 09:45:32, 24 December

I'm 164cm. Barely.

I've never had trouble with women. I'm really fucking nerdy. I like math. I love math. I study astrophysics. I was the science geek in high school. 60% of women I meet seem taller than me. I was a muslim when I first came to the US in middle school. It doesn't matter.

None of this matters at all. Except that, you can do it. Just don't be so cynical about the world man! Cheer up. Go meet girls in places that are not such meat shows. GO to coffeeshops, libraries, local clubs (the types where you are all interested in the same activity, not the type where everyone is trying to get laid.) Make some female friends, and meet their friends, and friends of friends before you start hitting on any of them. Do something you love in life, and have the energy and enthusiasm to talk about it. These things will attract girls to you. The reality of the situation is, you probably won't be getting with 5'9 girls. But most girls around your height, shorter or a 1-2in taller, you have a total shot at, as long as your personalities match. I always had taller girlfriends until my current SO, and we started dating at 21 for me.

If you want some shady tricks, wear some taller shoes, and try to meet girls in sit-down situations. And most of all, don't care what strangers, or even people you know, think of you. If one girl doesn't like you because of your height, the other won't because of your ethnicity, another because of your social status, another because of your bone structure, the list goes on long. But none of them matter. Find the ones that are worth spending time with. Best of luck to you.

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  • ct2k7
  • 1 Points
  • 14:45:47, 24 December

What does you (having been?) a Muslim have to do with it?

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  • dkty
  • 2 Points
  • 16:22:52, 24 December

> I was a muslim when I first came to the US in middle school. It doesn't matter.

Nothing - that's exactly what he said.

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  • ct2k7
  • 2 Points
  • 16:52:11, 24 December

I'm trying to figure out why it was mentioned. Saying that it doesn't matter doesn't negate that it was written, which has some significance. "It doesn't matter" only tells me not to consider it in the whole piece of text.

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  • expiredthought
  • 0 Points
  • 17:13:55, 24 December

Are you successful with attractive women, you know, with the arabic girls with nice booties studying pharmacy and medicine?

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  • mike5f4
  • 4 Points
  • 01:20:15, 24 December

Wow! I'm sorry to hear that. How old are you if you don't mind me asking, and what country are you from? That woman was an ass,you are better off.

I didn't have as many problems by far and I lived on the west coast of the USA for most of my dating years. I hope you can get past this point and not let what she said make you so negative. One of the reasons I got into fighting heightism is because I saw how the media had created a negativity toward short men and I wanted to try and turn it around. You sound like a great guy and I hope you feel differently in the future.

Have you had relationships, and how did they end?

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  • shodanxerces
  • 2 Points
  • 07:09:21, 24 December

/r/mgtow

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  • thyristor_pt
  • 1 Points
  • 16:16:27, 24 December

Thank you. What you wrote was eye opening and I also identify with everything you say. The worst part is really having 5'0 girls calling us short. This girl I know from work is shorter than me, but says I'm shorter because of high heels. And she's engaged to a guy who's at least 6'3... everyday she has to point that out and how it entitles her to wear high heels all the time.

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  • christianivan
  • -3 Points
  • 09:54:18, 24 December

Dude if the girl who completely rejected you is 5'0 saying you're a midget, then you also can say it back to her.

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  • doubledutchmydude
  • 7 Points
  • 09:42:01, 24 December

Never equate your self worth to the attention and validation you are or aren't receiving from women.

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  • asdfasdf57
  • 7 Points
  • 11:30:43, 24 December

Easier said than done, but maybe it's possible with some mental gymnastics. Unfortunately it's pretty much a very central and natural part of male self-esteem that starts during puberty. I don't think it's quite the same for most women.

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  • shortizen
  • 3 Points
  • 15:27:35, 24 December

Men are hornier than women, so it sort of creates a, ah, practical problem. Women only need to snag one man. There's also the within gender hierarchy in each gender. There's also the matter of not feeling like a deformed halfling in public.

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  • doubledutchmydude
  • 1 Points
  • 19:29:01, 24 December

I'm not immune to feeling validated by male attention. It's intrinsic, you're right in that sense. But I will not accept the notion that its the only avenue that can give me self esteem. I feel good about myself when I finish a mile, when I finish a book and have a new outlook, when I make a joke and people laugh.

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  • asdfasdf57
  • 1 Points
  • 19:34:12, 24 December

There are many different kinds of self-esteem, yep. But sexual self-esteem is a major one that's very hard to ignore, I'm not entirely sure the others can completely compensate for a lack of it.

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  • doubledutchmydude
  • 1 Points
  • 19:41:45, 24 December

That's true. Is a lack of sexual self esteem for men brought on when women don't accept their advances? Or is it because women tend not to outwardly hit on men, so they are left feeling unsure of their projected attractiveness?

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  • asdfasdf57
  • 1 Points
  • 22:38:07, 24 December

I'm guessing it's primarily the former (when it approaches an unreasonable amount of rejection despite repeated efforts), but also seeing other guys getting flirted with when we're not. Most women might not hit on men in an obvious fashion, but they DO show interest and then leave most of the rest up to the guy.

Also, in a sexualized society/pop-culture putting a lot of value on regularly "getting lucky" and branding guys who don't more or less as losers in general, struggling to achieve romantic/sexual success or being a late virgin can result in feelings of inferiority and mental and behavioral vicious circles.

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  • babycutes
  • 6 Points
  • 03:17:05, 24 December

Never forget that you are worthy of love, kindness and respect. Each of us is a human being. Each of us makes mistakes. You do yourself a disservice by simplifying yourself to being "the short guy," and you disservice others by boiling them down to being "sloppy seconds." No human being should be diminished on such terms.

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  • Xdf100
  • 2 Points
  • 14:07:54, 24 December

Women simplify short men as nothing but short men. Women diminish short men on those terms that you mention. Women don't understand what it feels like because there is no equivalent.

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  • noteventrying
  • 0 Points
  • 18:40:54, 24 December

the closest equivalent to short men is obese women.

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  • Xdf100
  • 1 Points
  • 20:34:44, 24 December

But that's still a poor example. Hence why there is no equivalent.

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  • trail22
  • 4 Points
  • 06:58:26, 24 December

Hell Yes.... Demand respect and walk away from anyone who doesn't give it. Talk to women like people because you don;t want anything from them. I don't care if you are hot you are boring as hell. Make your own fun and don;t give a Fuck if people like you.

Everyone wants to tell you, that you are wrong. Don't listen to them. Who you are is based on experiences out there. Be the man that you want to be and let the pieces fall where they will! You are not defined by the love and respect other people give you.

You spent your 20's trying to change who you were. Now its time to accept who you are.

  • [-]
  • poke2201
  • 3 Points
  • 04:48:11, 24 December

>I'm going to live my life the way I want it, I'm sick of playing mindless games, tired of having to prove myself time and time again and trying to change who I really am just to get a freaking date.

Exactly. Don't give a shit about others. Live how you want and own it. That's how you attract women. You need to be you before you can attract someone who cares about you for you. If they think you're too short, then drop them. Not worth it.

>just to get what some guys get with no effort at all.

Uhh no. That doesn't happen that often. The best women take effort to keep. Most Men don't just have women fall from the sky for them. Give it an effort.

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  • asdfasdf57
  • 3 Points
  • 11:26:13, 24 December

> Uhh no. That doesn't happen that often. The best women take effort to keep. Most Men don't just have women fall from the sky for them. Give it an effort.

He wasn't talking about keeping women, he was talking about getting a date.

"just to get a freaking date, just to get what some guys get with no effort at all"

  • [-]
  • poke2201
  • 3 Points
  • 11:47:17, 24 December

True.

I still think that most men don't have women falling all over for them solely because of their height.

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  • needawee
  • 6 Points
  • 12:38:36, 24 December

Lots of us are totally ruled out because of our (short) height, though

  • [-]
  • poke2201
  • 1 Points
  • 00:32:25, 25 December

That is also true. But why should we care? Do you really want someone who doesn't like you for you?

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  • slackforce
  • 0 Points
  • 06:13:20, 24 December

'attaboy. finally an honest post from an honest, adult short man. it is a freeing feeling to truly give up on the impossible. not giving a fuck is a prerequisite to a good life, with or without women.

i know exactly what you mean about the 30-year old women suddenly becoming interested in us. what pains me is seeing my short brothers fall for it. these are the same women that made a habit of ignoring us or mocking our existence our entire lives. now that the rat race for all the tall guys is over, they're forced to settle for whatever they can get...and god help them if they have a child or two.

sadly, too many of us let our loneliness overcome our common sense. i'm happy you won't be one of the casualties.

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  • BiteSizedBeastMode
  • 1 Points
  • 15:15:18, 24 December

>i know exactly what you mean about the 30-year old women suddenly becoming interested in us

I know that feeling well. In some cases, it was women I knew back in high school, and we had somewhat of a spark that ended seemingly inexplicably, and they ended up with some imbecile who treated them like garbage, impregnated them a few times, and they are now engaged in eye-gouging never-ending custody battles....and all of a sudden, when Facebook became a thing, they crept out of the woodwork, and the old flirty rapport we used to have magically reappeared. On top of that, they have the baggage of "not knowing how to get close to anyone" as the result of their bad relationship choices, and on some level, want to use that as a means to try to make us try even harder to win them over....Ummmm....no thanks. They can just stew in the horrendous swamp of despair they created. I think I'm going to keep enjoying my life free of such self-imposed prisons, instead of carrying around a ton of baggage that I didn't even create.

Edit: If the downvotes aren't coming exclusively from Garmins and trolls, would someone please explain to me why any self-respecting person should feel obligated to take on peoples' baggage who played games with them in the past?

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  • expiredthought
  • 2 Points
  • 16:24:11, 24 December

Not me, but we're scumbag midgets destined to linger in the rat infested cargo hold of the ship that is society, and we don't have a right to choose women we are attracted to or have beauty standards. The downvote you got is probably a "who the fuck are you to decline any interest down there". No desirable woman would even think of entertaining the complaints or life philosophy of a short guy let alone being insulted or angered by them. The only thing that you are allowed to must be positive, or else the women will leave you to bathe in being a short man for life. Saying anything slightly negative, such as here in r/short, will cause a mass walkout from women who JUST CAN'T STAND short men who complain about the cargo hold and reject "scraps" from above. I mean, have you ever thought for one instant that what you have to say is absolutely worthless, no matter how right or analytical it is? It's freaking coming from a short guy's mouth, a rat, scum of the human species. We're like 3 feet tall here, and we're trying make demands from women who are far above us in desirability? It fucking sucks, but we are scum, but we have to try to shut the fuck up. Take the scraps, or refuse them, but we have to shut the fuck up. No one can stand a complaining man, let alone from a short man. We just have to navigate through this scummy life like cockroaches scaling bat shit infested caves. Throw your pen away man. Nobody gives a damn.

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  • BiteSizedBeastMode
  • 2 Points
  • 16:38:13, 24 December

Obviously, I can't speak for the specific downvotes, but I do agree that there is a "beggars can't be choosers" rationale applied to us.

>saying anything slightly negative, such as here in r/short, will cause a mass walkout from women who JUST CAN'T STAND short men who complain about the cargo hold and reject "scraps" from above

This sums up a lot of what happens with women besides a golden few who are onboard in understanding the issues we face. This is a thread of empowerment where OP has decided to pursue a new avenue in life....but....apparently, not only are we not allowed to have physical preferences, but we aren't allowed to exercise the preference to remove ourselves from the dating pool. Why does everyone have to be held to the same standard of happiness? So now, not only do we have to live with the negative effects of height requirements, but if we decide that we can be happier by diminishing our role or eliminating ourselves from the dating pool altogether, we have to get lambasted for that as well. OP isn't groveling or anything, he's just deciding to move forward in a non-conventional manner. We should be supportive of his decision.

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  • expiredthought
  • 3 Points
  • 16:43:15, 24 December

I made an edit to my original post.

Short guys gnawing through the cargo hold will cause the ship to sink. Nobody wants that, especially women. These desirable women have undesirable female friends that need attention and love, and without short men, it will stir the shit pool of life.

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  • BiteSizedBeastMode
  • 1 Points
  • 16:52:54, 24 December

I agree with the edits in varying degrees, in situations that go far beyond what women find attractive.(I love the gnawing through the cargo hold analogy)

The fact that people think those things(once again, to varying degrees) doesn't reflect poorly on us in the least, yet we are the ones scorned for facing reality. We are supposed to coddle the emotions of the beneficiaries of this social hierarchy, and say nothing about it. You're right about no one wanting to hear a man complaining. First, we're not viewed as being "real men," then, we're not allowed to fight for respect, when if a "real man" did the same thing, his real man status would be magnified. Teams have been chosen...and we didn't get picked. We're supposed to stay chained-up in the basement, and rub the lotion on the skin for the passive entertainment of our rulers.

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  • BiteSizedBeastMode
  • 1 Points
  • 15:35:30, 24 December

This was fantastic to read!

I wouldn't say I'm in "give up mode," or "rent a hooker mode," but I'm not even entertaining the idea of trying to initiate a spark with someone if it doesn't happen naturally. I think it's silly to just walk up and start chatting people up because you find them attractive, although this is pretty much the standard in society.

The thing is, it matters not to the course of human history whether any of us have a relationship. Yeah, biology and all of that happy horseshit, but part of the reason people are obsessed with relationships is societal pressure stating that being single is somehow losing in life. This is not the truth, and it is silly to place obligations on people to play a lottery that most end up losing, regardless of height.

As a short guy, nothing is more empowering than spitting in the face of the status-quo that rejects you, and saying "Fuck you, I'll blaze my own trail in life." So yeah man, you totally should take charge of your own life, happiness, and not get caught up in the world's standards because you are walking your own walk now. Leave the convoluted whims and standards of society to the dime-a-dozen people who buy into the status-quo. This is your life, and if you are satisfied with living it by your own terms, and the terms you stated are what your heart desires, there's really no counterargument for you chiseling your own way through life.

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  • dirty_daves_grundle
  • 0 Points
  • 17:18:02, 24 December

Try this: even though it will get downvoted. Get on steroids. You will swim in vagina.

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  • noteventrying
  • -1 Points
  • 10:52:57, 24 December

A short man who is honest with himself? Cue the "u need moar konfudents!" crew, the victim blaming brigade, and the anecdotal evidence attachment.

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  • poke2201
  • 3 Points
  • 11:22:34, 24 December

What the fuck? We're in the SAME GODDAMN BOAT AS YOU.

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  • noteventrying
  • 0 Points
  • 11:31:25, 24 December

what?

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  • poke2201
  • 2 Points
  • 11:42:53, 24 December

>A short man who is honest with himself? Cue the "u need moar konfudents!" crew, the victim blaming brigade, and the anecdotal evidence attachment.

I'm seriously annoyed by your second statement. It's as if people trying to help him out is a bad thing.

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  • shodanxerces
  • 3 Points
  • 11:57:31, 24 December

its a rant not a cry for help, anyway what kind of help would he get anyway, cliché psudeo internet counseling is all.

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  • noteventrying
  • 2 Points
  • 13:56:12, 24 December

tell him its his fault that he doesn't have more konfudents because you have a cousin whose friend's uncle is short and does seks a lot with beautiful women. just do it. please.

please please please mention short actors!

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  • poke2201
  • 1 Points
  • 00:31:12, 25 December

Yeah sure, its not like I used to have these problems too.

Some of us used to be like you, including me, until I realized that being short doesnt fucking MATTER in the long run.

Go ahead, mock me. But Ill be damned if I let you belittle my fucking story just because your insecurity is bleeding into real life.

Oh and by the way, women can tell if youre insecure about ANYTHING.

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  • throwaway0823241213
  • -6 Points
  • 00:39:10, 24 December

I'm with you on this one, guy. Enjoy your life and if you can, rub a fucking woman's fucking nose in it. Every day.

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  • expiredthought
  • 2 Points
  • 05:25:13, 24 December

Shake my head.

Women don't care what a short man does with his life. Did you forget? We're fucking short. We are midgets, nothing we do is romantic, nothing we accomplish is cool, or interesting. We can't rub it in any woman's nose. Imagine a fat or unattractive woman doing the same thing. Who would even care?

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  • BiteSizedBeastMode
  • 0 Points
  • 17:18:39, 24 December

Same thing, but from a different perspective. One time, this girl I know was having some problems in her life, and we were discussing her various issues. I happened to give her some advice, which she ended up disregarding.

Then, a few months later, she went to a therapist, and told me how amazing the experience was, and about the great advice that he had given her. She even printed it out and carried it around in her purse.

He told her the same exact fucking thing that I told her! Now, I'm not saying I'm qualified to be a therapist, and I understand that an opinion from a professional carries more weight. The point I'm making, is that a tall guy's accomplishments are considered to be more worthy, because a tall guy is considered to be qualified to be successful and interesting(just like the therapist was worthy of giving legitimate life-changing advice because he was qualified to do so) While a short guy's accomplishments, are just background conversation(like the advice that I had given to my friend, which she apparently didn't even remember) because we are unqualified of accomplishing interesting things no matter how much they mirror the things done by qualified(tall) guys. We're caught in a "consider the source" dilemma, so being that we're not a "qualified source" to speak of interesting accomplishments, none of our accomplishments or interesting quirks really factor into assessments that are made of us(and are often written off as "overcompensating" anyway) Yes, there are exceptions, but a short guy shouldn't hedge his bets on getting his foot in the door by living the life of a Dos Equis commercial.

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  • expiredthought
  • 1 Points
  • 17:39:49, 24 December

I worked as accountant have given advice to women (who wear heels). It's never taken. Only when I have to be so damn assertive do they gave me the wide eyed, "Whoa, okay" look and carry out the instruction. Then some tall guy with a bluetooth earpiece tells her the same damned thing. Advice taken. Same thing with my sisters. They never take anything I say seriously. Everything I say is forgetful or worthless even when it is of apparent value (overcompensation has caused me to give very down to earth advice). They have that Kourtney Kardashian expressionless face when I offer an opinion. Looking back, I have reason to believe they really wanted to tell me: "Why do you think you have an opinion or anything to say. Sit your short ass down, woman?"

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  • semen_slurper
  • -3 Points
  • 15:47:15, 24 December

My god this sub is depressing as fuck. I joined it because my boyfriend is 'short' and I was like well he is a cute, funny, smart, nice person I bet this sub rocks! I was obviously wrong, it's (mostly) filled with a bunch of shorter gentlemen feeling sorry for themselves (not all of them, some of you are great people with a great outlook on life but the great ones often get bashed by the depressing ones). This will probably get downvoted to hell but I am giving my final goodbye to /r/short, I hope that one day you guys stop hating on yourselves so much and stop bashing women so much (because that's what really grinds my gears). Have a nice life /r/short!

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  • expiredthought
  • 1 Points
  • 16:11:52, 24 December

What is your boyfriend's height?

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  • semen_slurper
  • 2 Points
  • 17:00:20, 24 December

5'6"

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  • expiredthought
  • 2 Points
  • 18:56:29, 24 December

Stay for a little longer, or at least drop by once in a while.

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  • mrbusinesspants
  • 1 Points
  • 02:15:44, 25 December

Hey, I know what you mean. Sometimes, the pessimism gets to me too. But you have to understand that some of us go through some pretty though things due to our height, and we are told and read/see a lot of things which basically say that we are unwanted by most women. So it hurts us badly, and this is where we come and rant about it, because we know people (guys) who can relate and been there will read it, and reply to us. I think you would have to be in our situation to understand. Your boyfriend is lucky to have found someone who doesn't care how tall he is; if most girls were like you, this sub would be completely different.

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  • BiteSizedBeastMode
  • 0 Points
  • 16:18:13, 24 December

I don't think you comprehend the spirit of the conversation. We'll add your departure to the weekly flouncing statistics though

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  • needawee
  • 0 Points
  • 19:27:22, 24 December

It's depressing because that's the reality of a lot of us here.

To me your post seems like you are judging people from a privileged position instead of really thinking about their experiences and having empathy for them.