News from Palestine and Israel for July 14th / 15th (self.worldnews)

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This topical news sticky is part 2 of an experiment** /r/worldnews is going to run today.

Yesterday we ran an experiment of using a sticky in contest mode. The feedback within that thread was pretty evenly divided between people who liked it, and people who didn't. The feedback we've gotten via modmail was majority positive.

There are two significant complaints that shared by people on both sides. You did not like contest mode, because you want to be able to sort by new and you felt there was not as much discussion.

So now we are going for a another trial period of one day to see if a regular thread listed as a sticky is a workable approach.

For those who missed the previous sticky, here are some issues we've been experiencing that led to this decision:

  1. We've recently been overwhelmed with submissions about Palestine and Israel. Hence, it's becoming increasingly difficult to keep /r/worldnews a place for news from around the world. Our subscribers have made it clear they are annoyed by how one topic dominates the sub, especially in the new queue.

  2. Users have also been complaining en masse that some content related to this topic may have been attacked by downvote brigades and effectively been silenced this way. Moderators have no tools to determine if this is actually the case or not but at our request the reddit administrators have investigated and told us they see no evidence of vote manipulation. This has not alleviated many users' concerns.

  3. Due to the sheer number of submissions, discussions of the current events are being spread out across several threads with the same arguments playing out across all of them.

Special rules apply for top-level comments in this sticky today:

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  • The articles should be relevant to the topic and follow the regular submission rules. Articles should be news, not opinion or analysis and should be current.

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If you submit a story about Israel or Palestine as a regular submission like you used to, it will automatically be removed, a flair "use sticky" will be attached and you'll be redirected to this thread in a comment reply.

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119 comments submitted at 03:35:34 on Jul 15, 2014 by WorldNewsMods

  • [-]
  • Wiggles114
  • 22 Points
  • 06:12:28, 15 July

LIVE UPDATES: Israel accepts Egyptian cease-fire proposal

  • [-]
  • LBTank
  • 22 Points
  • 07:17:36, 15 July

Live update - 9:57 israel time (an hour after the cease-fire) a barrage of rockets fired at south israel from gaza.

  • [-]
  • KnowWhatSpraks
  • 7 Points
  • 08:26:27, 15 July

That was short.

  • [-]
  • TTEH3
  • 0 Points
  • 08:35:04, 15 July

Hamas never agreed to the ceasefire, they said it would be "surrender" which they refused to do.

  • [-]
  • KnowWhatSpraks
  • 2 Points
  • 08:40:13, 15 July

So this is real still conducting your strength?

  • [-]
  • LBTank
  • 6 Points
  • 08:27:15, 15 July

Live update - 11:23 israel time (2 hours after the cease-fire) a barrage of long range rockets fired at south israel.

  • [-]
  • AssuredlyAThrowAway
  • 18 Points
  • 04:06:05, 15 July

Egypt calls on Israel and Hamas to agree ceasefire.

  • [-]
  • picflute
  • 4 Points
  • 04:08:08, 15 July

This isn't going to do anything but produce clutter and disorganization

  • [-]
  • n00bLMAO
  • 1 Points
  • 08:13:24, 15 July

Peace can get messy.

  • [-]
  • JeffTheJourno
  • 15 Points
  • 05:17:44, 15 July

Hamas has already rejected it. It looks like the Israelis will accept it though.

  • [-]
  • Kekoa_ok
  • 4 Points
  • 07:54:04, 15 July

Hasnt this happened before..? But failed

  • [-]
  • JeffTheJourno
  • 5 Points
  • 08:16:44, 15 July

A cease fire? Sure, it's happened a few times. Generally they only last a few months while Hamas restocks supplies. That's why a lot of Israelis are pushing for something more forceful, like a ground invasion.

  • [-]
  • [deleted]
  • -7 Points
  • 04:41:32, 15 July

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  • [-]
  • mrcalifornia505
  • 0 Points
  • 06:20:51, 15 July

Hams should make an unconditional surrender

  • [-]
  • [deleted]
  • 12 Points
  • 04:40:46, 15 July

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  • [-]
  • Computer_Name
  • -4 Points
  • 04:45:55, 15 July

There's a top-level comment where you can lodge complaints.

  • [-]
  • Shatranj
  • 19 Points
  • 04:26:13, 15 July

Rocket hits Eilat amid reports of ceasefire deal

  • [-]
  • dabears554
  • 4 Points
  • 05:11:35, 15 July

If there are rockets coming from the North and South now...something's gotta give.

  • [-]
  • wntroll
  • 8 Points
  • 06:29:34, 15 July

NYT reports 'deluge' of complaints about coverage of Israel-Gaza fighting

  • [-]
  • Ememsmsmsmsm
  • 2 Points
  • 06:38:26, 15 July

Great article, really gives insight on the public view of things.

  • [-]
  • PosterAboveMeSucks
  • 25 Points
  • 03:57:58, 15 July

Hamas Armed Wing Rejects Truce Ahead Of Israeli Government Talks

  • [-]
  • ACloseCaller
  • -12 Points
  • 07:40:53, 15 July

That's because Hamas doesn't negotiate with terrorists.

  • [-]
  • sammy1857
  • 20 Points
  • 04:22:13, 15 July

Two sisters seriously injured in Hamas rocket attack

  • [-]
  • FollowFayyad
  • 14 Points
  • 07:58:14, 15 July

The sisters belong to the Arab Bedouin community. Hamas rockets harm everyone.

  • [-]
  • [deleted]
  • -12 Points
  • 06:14:54, 15 July

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  • [-]
  • Ememsmsmsmsm
  • 2 Points
  • 06:35:39, 15 July

Stay classy R/worldnews

  • [-]
  • Gravehog
  • 4 Points
  • 07:01:35, 15 July

Syria's Allies Are Stretched by Widening War

  • [-]
  • heystoopid
  • -6 Points
  • 07:38:08, 15 July

Great source for sucking donkey D's.

Murdoch Free Propaganda Pay wall Press..

  • [-]
  • ZakiMed
  • 9 Points
  • 05:22:59, 15 July

Day 7 update on Gaza (175 Killed), More than 75 percent of those killed were non-combatants, and more than 25 percent were children

  • [-]
  • DID_IT_FOR_YOU
  • 25 Points
  • 06:32:08, 15 July

And if Hamas cared they would have accepted the Egyptian ceasefire but they didn't. Israel meanwhile has because they don't use human shields and don't subscribe to a strategy of trying to increase the body count any way they can for their PR campaign.

All Hamas cares about is killing Israelis and demonizing it through the use of human shields because the international community has shown that Hamas' strategy works. It doesn't matter if they use hospitals, daycares, schools and etc for their bases. It's Israel who is going to take the blame when they retaliate against a rocket platform that Hamas has set up in a residential neighborhood. Basically Israel is expected to lie down and take the 700+ rocket attacks because not enough Israelis are dying for it to be considered a fair fight.

  • [-]
  • sillyaccount
  • 2 Points
  • 08:17:17, 15 July

Are they not ready to make any kind of deal with the Israeli government?

  • [-]
  • anti_human
  • 1 Points
  • 08:38:09, 15 July

The Hamas (an extreme Islamic movement) most fundamental reason for existence is to fight, and to never accept ANY form of a sovereign Jewish state in the Middle East. It's as if the US negotiated with Bin Laden. There is no deal that they will ever accept unless it includes the destruction of the State of Israel.

  • [-]
  • Yoshyoka
  • -3 Points
  • 07:45:32, 15 July

So what? Let's assume that Hamas does not care, does this justify Israel to kill over 130 civilians? Even when there is no evidence for them actually supporting Hamas? It is not about if the fight is fair or not, it is simply nonsensical to escalate it this way. All Israel is going to achieve is more terrorism in the future. This being said the rocket fire is absolutely unacceptable, but a non commensurate response is not likely to make the situation any better. Being victims of terrorists does not justify you to become one.

  • [-]
  • DID_IT_FOR_YOU
  • 9 Points
  • 08:05:27, 15 July

Hamas has fired over 1000 rockets into Israel.

As far as I can recall, Israel has retaliated with over 1100 air strikes against Hamas targets in return. So we are talking about 1 in 8 air strikes resulting in a civilian death.

Do you believe Israel is targeting these civilian on purpose? Or do you think it's the unfortunate result of Hamas putting their bases, weapon depots and rocket platforms in civilian buildings and residential areas?

If you were in Israel's position what would you do with a neighbor who elected a terrorist organization as their government (committed to wiping out Israel) and is launching rockets daily at your citizens?

Would you just take it while your citizens cower in terror, are injured and eventually killed?

Or would you retaliate because they refuse to stop or to negotiate?

How would you plan your strategy when this enemy has purposely placed their citizens between you and their weapons.

How would you respond to their use of human shields?

What can Israel possibly due when Hamas rejects all diplomacy?

Please inform me on how Israel could have changed their strategy to avoid these civilian deaths.

Even though they already are warning Palestinians through pamphlets, telephones calls and "knock on the roof" missile duds that an air strike is incoming in order to save innocent lives.

All of this is well documented that Israel has committed itself to ensuring all innocent civilians know when a missile is inbound so they can get away from the Hamas base or weapon depot that is about to be destroyed.

The only exceptions are when Israel targets a Hamas leader who is traveling by car - as the chance of innocent casualties is less likely - or when Hamas soldiers/officials are isolated elsewhere.

This situation is the definition of grey because there are no clear cut answers or solutions. Israel has been handed a pile of shit and is doing what they know works.

  • [-]
  • Yoshyoka
  • 0 Points
  • 08:17:33, 15 July

> How would you respond to their use of human shields?

Let me answer this straight away: I would NOT blow up the human shields and think that ANYONE that thinks that this is legitimate is a piece of shit of human being. Period. At the same time i think that people sending rockets on a civilian population is equally reprehensible.

Now, about how to handle things. let's get back at before the massive rocket attacks started. Both sides worked very hard at escalating the situation and any of the two sides could have stopped this in time. If you think that Israel is morally superior, here it had a very nice opportunity to show it. But it did not. The only thing it demonstrated is that besides having superior firepower it uses the exact same zero-sum game mindset.

  • [-]
  • anti_human
  • 2 Points
  • 08:42:02, 15 July

I'm not sure you understand what Hamas' end game is. It doesn't include a sovereign Jewish state in the Middle East and it doesn't include any other sovereign Muslim nation in the area as well. What would you have done if your citizens are being targeted by rockets, launched by extremists that don't even acknowledge your right to exist?

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  • DID_IT_FOR_YOU
  • 1 Points
  • 08:38:29, 15 July

Since you say there is no excuse for blowing up human shields then let me point out an unfortunate incident that has happened multiple times.

Israel plans an airstrike on a Hamas weapons depot located in a house. Israel 15-60min before the strike calls the home and informs them of the strike. 5-10min before the strike they do the knock-on-the-roof with the missile dud to against warn them of the strike.

1-5min before the strike they launch the missile. At this point the civilians inside have left BUT just before the missile strikes a bunch of civilians inexplicable run to the house to act as human shields to either make Israel back down or become martyrs.

They saw the knock-on-roof and came running. By the time Israel sees this and communicates it back to military command its too late to abort the missile.

It hits the target and "civilians" are killed.

Now is Israel at fault in your opinion?

Also, I want to ask your evidence for Israel contributing to the situation.

Last time I checked what started the current offensive was Hamas launching 300+ rockets in a 24-48 hour period, knowing Israel could never ignore that especially after the 3 Israeli teen deaths.

By the way I don't think Israel is morally superior to the Palestinian people. I just don't believe in backing a terrorist organization such as Hamas who has publicly stated that their mission is the destruction of Israel.

This situation is far from black and white. It's a shit situation.

Also please enlighten me what Israel could have done to stop Hamas' rocket barrage? So far Hamas has rejected all calls for ceasefire and diplomatic intervention.

Israel in contrast accepted an Egyptian ceasefire.

  • [-]
  • conci
  • -4 Points
  • 08:30:44, 15 July

Stop occupying Palestinian land, it's that fucking simple.

  • [-]
  • Dragon_yum
  • 3 Points
  • 08:40:18, 15 July

Israel retreated from Gaza and it turned out great right?

  • [-]
  • behemothik
  • 2 Points
  • 08:39:08, 15 July

No such thing, it's that fucking complicated.

  • [-]
  • DID_IT_FOR_YOU
  • 2 Points
  • 08:42:50, 15 July

First of all Israel pulled out of Gaza.

The settlements and "occupation" are in the West Bank.

Last time I checked Hamas governed Gaza, not the West Bank, and Abbas who does represent the West Bank has condemned Hamas' rocket attacks.

Hamas' attacks only reinforce the idea that for the sake of Israel's security they must continue with the status quo.

Israel has stated multiple times they will only negotiate for a long-lasting peace. Hamas though doesn't want peace. They have stated quite clearly their goal is to destroy Israel.

Tell me exactly who here sounds unreasonable?

  • [-]
  • not_old_redditor
  • -14 Points
  • 06:36:14, 15 July

this bullshit has no place in a news thread, surely?

  • [-]
  • DID_IT_FOR_YOU
  • 8 Points
  • 06:39:15, 15 July

So you are against any discussion whatsoever?

Please enlighten me on what rule I'm breaking?

Edit: In fact if I understand this rule correctly:

>Attacks on other users - attacks just shut down discussion. Stick to the issues and remain civil.

Your comment is the one which has no place here.

  • [-]
  • not_old_redditor
  • -10 Points
  • 06:46:15, 15 July

You're right my comment has no place here, but neither does yours. It contributes nothing but the same old bickering that's sustaining this stupid age-old conflict between the two sides.

  • [-]
  • DID_IT_FOR_YOU
  • 12 Points
  • 06:51:52, 15 July

I disagree. My comment is critical of Hamas' refusal to try to solve this diplomatically. As an elected government they should be aiming for the best possible future for their people.

There is ZERO chance that Hamas can win a conventional war with Israel.

There are also numerous examples of history of what happens when you commit acts of war against your neighbor who is vastly superior to you in military might.

Does Hamas want Gaza to be the next North Korea where the entire border is lined with land mines or something equivalent?

The best chance for peace has always been diplomacy.

Hamas' refusal to negotiate can only mean they are not interested in peace and saving lives. A ceasefire at least would have spared innocent civilians on both sides and allowed for people to cool down.

  • [-]
  • hollanug
  • -6 Points
  • 07:18:24, 15 July

Link or gtfo. Today, apparently. This thread thing sucks ass.

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  • DID_IT_FOR_YOU
  • 8 Points
  • 07:21:06, 15 July

There are multiple links on this thread showing Hamas rejecting the Egyptian ceasefire.

Unfortunately mod rules forbid me from posting a duplicate link.

I can however link to the users who have posted them:

/u/PosterAboveMeSucks

/u/Another-Chance

/u/and7rewwitha7

/u/Wiggles114

  • [-]
  • hollanug
  • 0 Points
  • 07:22:57, 15 July

Oh couldnt ever tell ya, this whole thing blows.

  • [-]
  • Dragon_yum
  • 1 Points
  • 08:41:16, 15 July

I'm pretty sure the rocket attacks are proof enough.

  • [-]
  • stuner
  • -6 Points
  • 08:00:03, 15 July

No, Israel is not expected to "lie down and take the 700+ rocket attacks". It is expected to contribute to a fair and permanent resolution to this conflict by making reasonable concessions to the Palestinian people.

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  • DID_IT_FOR_YOU
  • 8 Points
  • 08:10:26, 15 July

So basically something like accepting an Egyptian ceasefire? WHICH IT DID?

What did Hamas do? Rejected it and continued firing rockets.

Exactly who is not contributing to a fair and permanent resolution?

Hamas refuses to even discuss stopping its attack let alone permanent peace.

After all it would against its official mandate to wipe out the State of Israel.

  • [-]
  • stuner
  • 1 Points
  • 08:45:40, 15 July

Not killing people is always better than killing them. I'm definitely in support of any effort to stop this bloody conflict. The problem is, that while Israel does not seem to be willing to make concessions for a long-term solution. Every time Israel is forced to take military action against Palestinian extermists, they weaken the progressive elements (on both sides) and thereby empower Hamas. It's a vicious cycle and they're not going to break it unless they are willing to make concessions in the hope that it will be worth it long-term.

  • [-]
  • TTEH3
  • 1 Points
  • 08:37:06, 15 July

It already accepted a ceasefire by Egypt, which Hamas rejected.

  • [-]
  • stuner
  • 1 Points
  • 08:48:02, 15 July

A ceasefire is a step in the right direction, but it's not going to solve the fundamental problem. As long as there is no permanent solution to this conflict people on both sides will suffer.

  • [-]
  • Lazylion2
  • 3 Points
  • 08:20:06, 15 July

Israel gains nothing from dead civilians. If they wanted to kill civilians there wouldn't be any civilians left in Gaza.

  • [-]
  • Phr0ztByte
  • 0 Points
  • 08:44:46, 15 July

Yes they do. If they just murdered everyone, they would stand to lose everything. If they just kill those "harboring weapons" (because children do this, so it is their own fault), then they can just blame it on Hamas using civilians as human shields.

Israel gains a frigthened Palestinian population, a population willing to give in to whatever deal Israel is willing to give them.

  • [-]
  • Lazylion2
  • 1 Points
  • 08:50:12, 15 July

Thats bullshit, The best headline pro-palestinians can use for their argument is the "X civilians and children dead" (wich im not sure is accuret at all btw but thats another argument) . It would be great for Israel if they could just fucking bomb all Hamas infrastructure without any civilian being harmed, because they could continue doing that for much longer and get better results.

  • [-]
  • Ememsmsmsmsm
  • 4 Points
  • 06:42:06, 15 July

This chart shows every person killed in the Israel-Palestine conflict sinceĀ 2000

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  • DID_IT_FOR_YOU
  • 25 Points
  • 07:32:18, 15 July

Israel's low body count isn't due to Hamas' mercy or kindness. It's due to Israel heavily investing in their defenses to save lives.

As the article even says, by erecting walls/barriers in 2005 Israel drastically reduced the number of Israeli casualties from the conflict.

Also anti-rocket defense systems such as the Iron Dome intercept Hama's rockets before they can hit Israelis with a 87% success rating.

The recent conflict has also shown another layer of their anti-missile system with their use of the Patriot missile to take down a Hamas UAV that was allegedly strapped with explosives.

Then there is of course the advance warning system that goes off every time a rocket is detected. Every Israeli is trained to know what to do when that siren sounds as they run to shelters Israel built to be bomb-proof.

If Israel behaved like Hamas, Israel would have a much MUCH higher body count.

Could you imagine if Israel lined up women and children in front of its Iron Dome deployment systems or in front of its tanks?

What would you say if Israel moved its military headquarters into the basement of a Children's elementary school?

How much outrage would there be if Israel told its citizens that instead of taking shelter they should run to where Hamas' rocket will hit to act as a human shield and die as a martyr?

Unthinkable right?

  • [-]
  • Lazylion2
  • 5 Points
  • 08:19:16, 15 July

why is there always a comparison on deaths numbers? Israel gains nothing from dead civilians. If they wanted to kill civilians there wouldnt be any civilians left in Gaza.

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  • WorldNewsMods
  • -18 Points
  • 03:47:34, 15 July

Reply To This Comment With Your Thoughts About Using A Regular Sticky For Hot Issue News Like The Current Israel/Gaza Conflict

  • [-]
  • oh_yeah_right_
  • 10 Points
  • 04:52:31, 15 July

If nobody will post the experiment will fail. Classic case of Tragedy of the Commons.

  • [-]
  • jason_mitcheson
  • 26 Points
  • 04:36:37, 15 July

It seems like a pretty awkward format to be honest. There aren't nearly enough votes being made on individual posts to effectively rank the links. Nobody is commenting, and to be honest I totally forget about the issue when I'm browsing the main page.

Overall it's improving the experience for the moderators at the cost of degrading the experience for readers.

If you really want to shove everything in one thread, what about a live thread like the Syrian civil war thread?

  • [-]
  • Grockel
  • 1 Points
  • 08:40:49, 15 July

They made this because certain users complained of suspicious voting patterns, i.e. a vote brigade that was pro-Israel, and got the admins to investigate. Unsurprisingly, the users who yell "JIDF shill!" were wrong, and the admins said there was no suspicious voting going on - yet this subreddit's mods continue with a sticky pretty much everyone agrees is dumb.

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  • relevantsam
  • 50 Points
  • 03:59:59, 15 July

I think this goes against what reddit is about. If the users submit lots of posts about Israel and Palestine that is what the users are interested in. If people don't want to see it then they can skip or hide those posts. It is a relevant world news story and deserves attention, not to be shuttled into a thread that I don't see on the main world news view. It marginalizes the issue and as shown yesterday stifles discussion. I'm frustrated that this was continued.

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  • [deleted]
  • 3 Points
  • 04:19:05, 15 July

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  • relevantsam
  • 14 Points
  • 04:21:36, 15 July

While I'm not one for thinking the moderators have a dark agenda about the conflict etc etc it is a form of censorship and I disagree with it because of that as well. Reddit is driven by its users and as long as a post meets the rules of reddit and the subreddit then I see no reason for it to be disallowed as a regular post.

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  • Terron1965
  • 4 Points
  • 07:24:55, 15 July

I think they are unhappy that much of the discussion was not going along with the views of the mods so the mods wanted to bury user opinion in favor of media driven opinion.

This is a crap response to a problem that only exists in the minds of the mods. It is also total crap that opinion was divided. It was overwhelmingly negative.

  • [-]
  • postslongcomments
  • 1 Points
  • 05:03:50, 15 July

Solution? Mass unsubscribe. Post threads elsewhere complaining. /r/technology got removed from the defaults for similar censorship. People in power hate nothing more than losing power.

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  • relevantsam
  • 5 Points
  • 05:50:34, 15 July

That's not a solution. The solution is for these threads to stop - I like this subreddit but hate this.

  • [-]
  • MrShepard
  • 32 Points
  • 04:14:31, 15 July

We're seriously going to keep doing this? It's a terrible idea and everyone is saying that it's a terrible idea so can we please get rid of it.

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  • halflifedarkness
  • 10 Points
  • 05:45:59, 15 July

Evenly divided? The comments were overwhelmingly negative! This method is really giving us hard time following and discussing the subject!!

  • [-]
  • halflifedarkness
  • 6 Points
  • 06:35:07, 15 July

I just counted the direct comments to your feedback request at the previous thread.

55 comments hate it, 4 comments like it. Saying that the response is evenly divided is either lie or delusion.

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  • surlylemur
  • 10 Points
  • 06:45:42, 15 July

I hate this experiment, please stop it. Things were working fine the way it was. No one comments on these in here and it stifles discussion.

I'm more than capable of not looking at a news item that doesn't interest me and I'm just a dumb American. I feel sure all the luminaries who grace us with their presence can do the same. Literally, don't click on the article if you don't want to see it. Problem solved.

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  • emmster
  • -2 Points
  • 07:10:37, 15 July

It really wasn't working for everyone the way it was. If it were, we wouldn't have had so many people asking for it to change. No one is saying this is permanent. We're just trying a few solutions on for size to see what works.

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  • yes_sir_arafat
  • 2 Points
  • 08:17:39, 15 July

Who is asking for it to change? There are always complaints from aluminium foil-heads about conspiracies.

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  • heystoopid
  • -1 Points
  • 07:41:34, 15 July

Not matter watt McCrap Sauce/Salada dressing/Green washing you use.

It still sucks a gross of Donkey D's

Censorship is so lame.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. - Albert Einstein

  • [-]
  • banana_ham3k
  • 17 Points
  • 04:42:18, 15 July

This. Seriously. Fucking /r/worldnews is not about world news because mods are too fucking "overwhelmed" Let the fucking people up vote and down vote topics as they choose, as with any section. Experiment while there is actual news to be shared. For science right?

Especially since you guys aren't overwhelmed enough to just sit here and delete comments that don't follow the rules I've moved this to comply. Obviously you guys have your priorities straight.

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  • steppenwolf86
  • 17 Points
  • 04:20:10, 15 July

> overwhelmed with submissions - really?

Can you provide some statistics on this?

Seems to me this is just censorship by those that want to bury the stories.

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  • handlegoeshere
  • 4 Points
  • 07:50:04, 15 July

The new system is bad idea, 3/10. It's also terribly implemented, 1/10.

>The feedback within that thread was pretty evenly divided between people who liked it, and people who didn't.

God only knows how you have that impression. Will you interpret what I wrote above as praise for the idea? "handlegoeshere said he wanted us to implement the new system better."

The best thing that can be said about it is that it solved some of the problems it was intended to solve, e.g. ending the comments that you disapproved of. Now, there aren't any such comments ... or many comments at all. In a world filled with ineffectual attempted solutions, expensive failed boondoggles, and damaging backfires that exacerbate the problems they were designed to end, you have managed to cheaply and efficiently achieve at least some of your aims, with the only downside being the entirely foreseeable creation of new and even worse (though still unimportant, as this is a fucking internet forum) problems.

I hope the new format saves you enough time moderating to catch up with friends and family, and maybe to even do some light reading. May I recommend The Cat in the Hat Comes Back?

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  • MelodyandComplexity
  • 14 Points
  • 03:57:52, 15 July

A regular sticky isn't necessary for the israel/gaza conflict which has lasted for decades now. Stickies should be used for conflicts that have short-term resolution potential. The israel/gaza conflict does not have short-term resolution potential.

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  • ZeJerman
  • 8 Points
  • 06:46:41, 15 July

This isnt working, i fell user contribution is down... there isnt enough votes going around to get a decent indication to a good article or a bad article.

this is a relevant worldnews event and it should be seen be all of those wanting to use /r/worldnews, they can scroll on past if they dont care

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  • yesterdays_forecast
  • 7 Points
  • 06:54:02, 15 July

terrible idea

it simply removes visibility, and reduces the amount of people reading the different articles on a very important situation thats happening right now

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  • FromUndaChees
  • 4 Points
  • 06:12:57, 15 July

This goes against everything reddit supposed to stand for. Instead of raising awareness about the issue you're suppressing everything to this sticky thread.

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  • subermanification
  • 4 Points
  • 07:04:43, 15 July

I guess my complaint is not unique, but am sharing it anyway so its on the record.

I was getting annoyed at the ridiculous whataboutisms perpetuated by both sides. I am NOT going to do that, although it was tempting. While this format may have mitigated the flooding of 'new' with comments and downvote brigades it has essentially crushed the debate/argument. The majority of top level posts are deleted. No one seems to be commenting or upvoting useful posts. It essentially serves to push the whole Israel/Palestine debacle to an unseen dusty corner.

It actually almost feels like it must have de-escalated as the media content coming in has evaporated. I understand the sentiment and rationale for this format and am glad you at least tried it as an experiment, but clearly this is not what people are wanting.

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  • emmster
  • 0 Points
  • 07:13:09, 15 July

Right now, the majority of top level comments should be down here on this thread. We got this one up a little late, and this is a low activity time period. Give it a little time.

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  • heystoopid
  • -2 Points
  • 07:43:22, 15 July

BS!

Tell me watt brand of angel dust are you smoking?

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  • TempTantrum1864
  • 5 Points
  • 05:02:29, 15 July

Terrible idea and blatant censorship. Not that I expect you'll change your minds even in the face of overwhelmingly negative response ("evenly divided" my ass.)

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  • handlegoeshere
  • 2 Points
  • 07:53:02, 15 July

>"evenly divided" my ass.

Most are.

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  • TastesLikeBurning
  • 2 Points
  • 08:23:33, 15 July

... Aren't most peoples asses evenly divided? Right down the middle?

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  • Wayyyy_Too_Soon
  • 3 Points
  • 05:59:22, 15 July

Terrible idea. Hopefully people will keep downvoting this stickied thread to drive home the issue.

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  • yes_sir_arafat
  • 1 Points
  • 08:29:56, 15 July

Check out the similar "Feedback" thread from yesterday: link here

Comments are pretty much the same.

While I commend moderators for trying something new, it is not working.

Suggestion to moderators:

Can you please provide another post with reasons for this experiment and maybe worldnews users can post ideas on how we can resolve it. Then you guys can pick from ideas that gets most votes and are least controversial.

If no such idea comes out - then let's keep same system as before. But post this issue every now and than to see if a better approach appears.

I know there are people in Israel/Palestinian threads who just want to flame flame flame. But silent majority would rather have improved and informative discussion.

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  • Dorner_In_The_Corner
  • 0 Points
  • 04:04:31, 15 July

Yes. This is quite nice. I don't know why everyone is obsessed with this small conflict.

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  • Ememsmsmsmsm
  • 1 Points
  • 06:32:03, 15 July

This is the only way to keep fair discussion. It is a fact that any comment in one of these threads opposite of the popular opinion gets downvoted out of existence.

I'll use this comment as an example.

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  • heystoopid
  • -1 Points
  • 06:48:37, 15 July

This thread sucks!

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. - Albert Einstein

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  • DropTablesChairs
  • -4 Points
  • 04:26:22, 15 July

The amount of posts and the way it dominated the page here were definitely getting out of hand. This is coming from someone who is interested in the topic and the commentary that follows.

If this becomes a regular thing though, how are you gonna determine when a topic is too 'hot' for the subreddit and ends up in its own sticky?

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  • emmster
  • 0 Points
  • 06:45:48, 15 July

Most likely by percentage of new posts on the same topic. This is still an experimental thing, so, the exact numbers are something we'll have to iron out as we move forward.

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  • Bastardus_Obesus
  • 0 Points
  • 08:25:09, 15 July

Brilliant. A war spread far and wide over the entire expanse of /r/worldnews is finally relegated to where it belongs - to a dusty closet where a bunch of enthusiasts can work out their difference without the interference of the headmistress.

People are obsessed with Israel. This format makes this unhealthy obsession a bit less fun.